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What happened to Opera while I've been gone?

  • Originally posted by ersi:

    Here you see (or you don't) an element that is listed as not supported. Why? They don't tell. The fact that they list it should imply that they were conscious about lack of support for the element, but it's not always necessary to tell why

    I suspect it is the usual reason โ€” because, though supported by other browsers, it's not yet an accepted standard. It might also be just that they thought it unimportant and didn't have time for it. Since it is already implemented in Webkit/Blink, they would need a good reason to consciously drop it, and there isn't one other than your โ€œpreventing users from selecting text is inherently evilโ€ theory.

    Originally posted by ersi:

    These calculations would apply when considering whether to implement a feature or not. In this case we are discussing the opposite:

    In this case we are discussing the ability to select text on a web page word-by-word by dragging with the mouse. This is impossible in Opera Presto, but possible in Opera Blink.

    Originally posted by ersi:

    Then again, I also imagine I'm being constructive in voicing my opinion about this.

    Your imagination is deluded. You already got warned twice about being banned. Posting derogatory remarks about Chropera, and using swear words is not being constructive at all. You don't like being called a troll, so don't behave like one.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by ersi:

    These calculations would apply when considering whether to implement a feature or not. In this case we are discussing the opposite:

    In this case we are discussing the ability to select text on a web page word-by-word by dragging with the mouse. This is impossible in Opera Presto, but possible in Opera Blink.

    I thought we were discussing also the ability to select text in the middle of a link, but okay. You can limit the discussion any way you like.

    Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by ersi:

    Then again, I also imagine I'm being constructive in voicing my opinion about this.

    Your imagination is deluded. You already got warned twice about being banned. Posting derogatory remarks about Chropera, and using swear words is not being constructive at all. You don't like being called a troll, so don't behave like one.

    I always left both the level of discussion and exact expressions up to you as you are the native speaker here and not me ๐Ÿ™‚ I don't feel either way about "troll" because I honestly have no clue what it means. I only see how people react to it. On the other hand, I have a very specific idea what "clone" means because I have spoken about it with experts on the matter. But from your reactions I see that you don't have a clue about this concept and you don't want to know either. It's a failure to acknowledge a fact, but if you insist, fine.

  • Your posts here have never been helpful as have Pesala's. Instead, you have sought to undermine Opera at every turn and when this is pointed out you simply say you have no idea what we're talking about. That's disingenuous behavior and deep down I believe you know that. It's been pointed out more than once that your continuing presence on the Opera forums is rather odd given your hatred of what Opera has become and your acknowledgement that it is not going to reverse its direction. That being the case, why not just go elsewhere (i.e. Mozilla forums)? The fact that you have not been banned is a testament to the liberal-mindedness of the Opera Team.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    The fact that you have not been banned is a testament to the liberal-mindedness of the Opera Team.

    Acknowledged. However, testament to what is the fact that these forums will be deleted and new ones put up? ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    In this case we are discussing the ability to select text on a web page word-by-word by dragging with the mouse. This is impossible in Opera Presto, but possible in Opera Blink.

    And by that, you mean it is impossible to select text on a web page character-by-character by dragging with the mouse in Opera Blink? Because those two behaviours are kind of mutual exclusive. (Well, technically, if you select character-by-character you can select word-by-word by starting before the first word and stopping after the last one.)

  • Originally posted by missingno:

    And by that, you mean it is impossible to select text on a web page character-by-character by dragging with the mouse in Opera Blink? Because those two behaviours are kind of mutual exclusive.

    Try it yourself and you will see that either can be done in Opera 18. Just select and drag to select by character, Double-click the first word and drag to select word-by-word. Try that in Opera Presto.

    See the linked thread for discussion of the topic. This is a very minor improvement, but I am just saying that there are some benefits of the switch to Blink, apart from the greater speed, and greater compatibility. Some people only see the negatives, which are obvious and don't need any more repeating after three months of such comments. They are known issues, and are being worked on as we speak.

  • Originally posted by ersi:

    Originally posted by leushino:

    The fact that you have not been banned is a testament to the liberal-mindedness of the Opera Team.

    Acknowledged. However, testament to what is the fact that these forums will be deleted and new ones put up? ๐Ÿ™‚

    Testimony to 'outsourcing', perhaps? For better and for worse (and, seriously, there's sometimes a LOT of "worse"), it's the trend in modern business operations. In Opera's case: outsource the browser rendering engine... outsource the care/maintenance of development blogs... outsource the care/maintenance of the forums(?)... and so on. A problem arises when outsourcing, however - a company loses a little of the personality it conveys to customers each time and in each sector in which it does it. Responsibility is diluted and, ultimately, lost.

    Case in point: the "new" Opera's bug reporting. Imagine an auto manufacturer responding to customer complaints about vehicle acceleration by responding... "That appears to be an engine problem, not the car itself. We build the car around company Xxxxx's engines, so you really need to deal with Xxxxx to resolve it. Goodbye, and have a nice day." In that industry, such an attitude framed by outsourcing would constitute a certifiable going-out-of-business plan. But it IS a potential consequence each and every time something touching the "customer experience" is committed to outsourcing. And by outsourcing all manner of customer-facing elements, even though costs might seemingly be reduced, customers can be driven away...

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Try it yourself and you will see that either can be done in Opera 18.

    Can't do that, I'm on Linux. Won't do that if I could at the moment, so I take your word.

    Originally posted by Pesala:

    Double-click the first word and drag to select word-by-word.

    It is working that way in this textarea in Opera Presto, though.

  • Originally posted by ersi:

    This particular benefit is annulled by inability to select text when it contains a link.

    You can change this behaviour with an extension Hyperlink Text Selector (Opera direct install link).

    After it is installed, reload any tabs you already had open and then when you hold shift you can select text within a link. You lose the default Opera behaviour where shift+click opens the link in a new Window but personally I never used that anyway.

  • I've noticed that 3 opera developers voted it this poll

  • i'm still using opera 12.12, for me it's the best.

    opera 15+ (19 for now) .... just sad... very sad

  • Originally posted by operowicz:

    I've noticed that 3 opera developers voted it this poll

    And how you've noticed it?

  • What he means is that three people voted it's most definitely better.

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