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Donloading Files: Dialog Box "Open, Save, Save As, Cancel"

  • Really? And where is your answer?

    Here:

    Files will be downloade anyway, at least we will know where they are. 🙂

    You know, before an opened file could be on a unknow temp folder depending on the settings and stay there for months. Now you will know where the files is.

    First, do you know what context of senteces is? Try to read it again. And second, why should I care about files that I dont need anymore and will be deleted automatically? This files will do only mess at my folders. If I need something to store I will save it to my folders. But let me ask you one question... are you store garbage at same place as things that you need/want or do you "store" it in bin which will be cleaned up automatically by dustman?

    I really dont get it why do you need to control something you dont need anymore and will be deleted anyway.

  • First, do you know what context of senteces is? Try to read it again.

    I don't see any problems.

    And second, why should I care about files that I dont need anymore and will be deleted automatically?

    That's the point: Can you be sure that those files will be automatically deleted? I used to need to delete them manually because they were never deleted automatically.

    But let me ask you one question... are you store garbage at same place as things that you need/want or do you "store" it in bin which will be cleaned up automatically by dustman?

    I usually don't download garbage. However when ni need to download a file just to check something i use to download it to a temp folder.

  • First, do you know what context of senteces is? Try to read it again.

    I don't see any problems.

    But let me ask you one question... are you store garbage at same place as things that you need/want or do you "store" it in bin which will be cleaned up automatically by dustman?

    I usually don't download garbage. However when ni need to download a file just to check something i use to download it to a temp folder.

    You really have some issue to understand context of sentence or verbal analagies. If you download file and use it so then you dont need it anymore and now its "garbage" for you. Understand now? Also youve not answer the previous question: what is vanguard about lack of features?

  • You really have some issue to understand context of sentence or verbal analagies.

    For example....?

    If you download file and use it so then you dont need it anymore and now its "garbage" for you. Understand now?

    As i said and i didn't seem to understand is that i usually don't download garbage by myself go i usually don't have garbage on my HDDs, (almost) everything is (or can be) still useful.

    And answering better you question: yes, they are all there together in folders both "garbage" and "non garbage" files until i delete the "garbage" ones.

    what is vanguard about lack of features?

    It's your opinion that this is a lack of feature. Others may just think that this is just things following its way.

  • For me it's quite obvious why do we need such feature:

    • one may use the "Open..." button when he or she needs only to view the downloaded file once and doesn't care where it's downloaded to (should be a temporary directory with auto clean-up).
    • "Save" button is useful when one needs to save a file for later usage.
    • "Save to default folder" should be useful when file is downloaded for a quick editing/one-time usage and doesn't require a specific download location (something in-between of the two above).

    And there are threads with the same request:

    Also, a download dialog window contains such a helpful info as a file size - it can help to decide whether to download a huge file or was it a mistake.

  • There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.

    Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.

  • There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.

    If "a bit later" is during the same browser session, the file should be still there. And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for. It's the same, be it Firefox, Chrome, Safari, even IE and Opera before v. 15.

    It's similar to target="blank" property which is now non-valid for good reason. It's all up to the user to decide whether to open the link in new tab or in the same tab. And no one should force me to open the link in the new tab to help me avoid loosing the current page, when I consciously choose to discard the old page and reuse the current tab.

    Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.

    If the folder is not auto-cleaned, then it's not the temp folder in my opinion. If there are no pre-configured temp directories in Windows, it's possible to create one in one of the Opera paths. And force empty the directory on exit or when its size exceeds the limit (could be configurable).

  • gustavwiz, I disagree. Open sounds good, so the user a bit later goes to the temp downloads folder (listed in downloads tab) and finds the file - if it hasn't been purged yet. So is the problem that files get purged or that they don't? The files in the temp folder could be removed by Opera itself.

    However, a few sleeping files in a well defined folder won't easily "slow down" or "fill up" the computer.

    I think we also need a set of options for "file types/mime". I very much want to be able to decide what to do for each type of file (extension). I don't want a plugin to play mp3 files - some I will play with my own favourite application, some I'd like to save. Same goes for pdf, wav, whatever. The Chromium-based Opera still has a long way to go before we get the flexibility and customisability we had in the "good old days". Sad, disappointing.

  • klayman: well articulated, you beat me to it 🙂

  • There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.
    Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.

    So you want to say that all other browsers and even internet explorer is for pro user only? Because all browser except Opera have download dialog. So Opera is for regular users only? Maybe you have to decide at this! Its for regular users users or for power users... it cant be designate for both. Also developers should choice already.

  • klayman:

    And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for

    airforce25228:

    So Opera is for regular users only? Maybe you have to decide at this! Its for regular users users or for power users... it cant be designate for both

    This question, about the download manager, is very interesting, because it can be designed in very different ways depending on if the user is a "normal user" or a "power user". klayman writes "And nobody should care for "normal user"", but I thought "normal user"s were a bit of the new target of the new Opera browser. I wrote my comment just to try to see the thing from a "normal user"'s perspective.

    And airforce25228 comment was also interesting. At least in my dreams, I see a browser that is made for both power users and normal user. Perhaps that can be accomplished in some way?

  • If "a bit later" is during the same browser session, the file should be still there. And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for. (...)
    If the folder is not auto-cleaned, then it's not the temp folder in my opinion. If there are no pre-configured temp directories in Windows, it's possible to create one in one of the Opera paths. And force empty the directory on exit or when its size exceeds the limit (could be configurable).

    Do you understand how much complexity, questions, "what if" and "where's my file?" from users did you introduce here?

    I wish everyone knew exactly what button does what and that they knew the whole folder structure of theirs PCs, but that's not happening...

  • I dont see any point why Opera is designed for regular users only as all you suggested. So all of you are just regular users? I just dont get where Opera is heading. No unique features, no special design, no good marketing and its just copy of Chrome which is for regular users only.

    Firefox have lots of addons and you can customize it very well. Chrome is for regular users and have very good marketing. IE is part of Windows. Opera... what Opera have?

  • I just dont get where Opera is heading. No unique features, no special design

    You're a bit blind...

  • I just dont get where Opera is heading. No unique features, no special design

    You're a bit blind...

    Can you elaborate it or its all you have?

  • I think what rafaelluik meant was that for the last two years Opera has been walking in another direction, more for "normal users" than for "power users". Opera never had much users if you compare to browsers like Internet Explorer or Chrome, so I understand why they wanted to try something new. But at the same time, Opera have unique features like the tab menu, mouse gestures and now also the sidebar, and all these features, according to me, is more in the power user way, so perhaps Opera try to make a browser for everyone, both advanced and regular users.

  • Opera have unique features like the tab menu, mouse gestures and now also the sidebar, and all these features, according to me, is more in the power user way, so perhaps Opera try to make a browser for everyone, both advanced and regular users.

    Tab menu? You mean that menu which shows list of tabs? What is unique about that? Its just a list with tabs you already see.

    Mouse gestures have lots of browsers now and you can install it with extensions and mostly you can change gestures.

    Sidebar is also extension on some browsers so no unique here.

    As far as I know Opera HAD 2 unique features:

    1. Tab stacking - no other browser have tab stacking like Opera. Unfortunately new Vivaldi now have it.
    2. Customization UI - no other browser have costomization like old Opera. You can move and shape almost all UI element

    But new Opera dont have this features.

  • Regarding download or open files I had exactly the same problem with the new Opera first, so I decided to start writing this little extension. First exercise was to find a way around the multiple necessary clicks until a file can be opened especially you are doing some investigation using a lot of pdf files. My final decision was to use a system notification that informs when a download is finished and what to do next - open or cancel. System notification from the chromium api are not fully supported in Opera so there are only those two possible options at the moment. "Open" opens the file in the system defined application. The file is then stored in "temporary_downloads" folder in the default download folder. "Cancel" deletes the temporary download instantly. Furthermore you can check an option to always clean up the "temporary_downloads" folder at Opera startup. You can choose defined file types or add your own file types.

    Here is the link:
    https://addons.opera.com/en-gb/extensions/details/open-with-application/?display=en

    I would be glad if you could try out this addon and give me some feedback telling me what you might wish for this extension.

  • And why exactly do we need change like that?

    Why not? Files will be downloade anyway, at least we will know where they are. 🙂

    Yepp, but sometimes I don't care where are the downloaded file, because I just want to take a look at it. The temp folder has one big advantage: The system cleans it after given days.

  • The system cleans it after given days.

    Well, at least here it was never unusual to find some months old temp file around.

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