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What percentage of people are adapting well to the new Opera?

  • @bobman

    why are bookmarks still a problem for you. I thought you found a bookmark manager extension you liked.

  • I'm using Opera 22. I pretty well have it customized to my liking.

    I miss the permanent bookmarks sidebar, but there are extensions available that somewhat duplicate that.

    I am satisfied.

  • i did not adapt well to this chrome-clone
    (and yes, someone is saying that its not a clone, in my opinion its a clone, with a slightly different ui)

    i hate it when i need extensions even for the simplest tasks, like sorting bookmarks

  • I've always hated Chrome because so many things are not possible compared to Opera. Then Opera uses the foundation of Chrome for their new product. Ugh. Its like Ferrari using a Toyota frame and drivetrain for their next product.
    So....are people finding the features they need through extensions?
    And how about the Opera Mail stand alone program. Does it work better in any way than Mail in Opera 12? It wasn't a top quality thing but it was pretty good and for most people more than adequate for their needs. Guess we just get used to some stuff.

    Nothing ever was what it looked like in Opera. There is a good reason why they changed to develop chromium more.
    you know Opera used to be the safest browser, right? I feel they did have a problem staying that way. And chromium may be not the safest interface, used by such a many people, but as Suntana said, they always found a way to be innovating. I guess Chromium does get better, and Opera doesnot need to invent the wheel every time. But they still use wheels, adapted to their engine, not the other way around, even it looks that way indeed.

  • <blockquote>
    Just press the Alt key for the menu (or Alt f4 if it doesn't work for you) (if it does, it's just one key, right next to where you're finger is set up on a normal keyboard). That's simple.</blockquote>

    Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I know how to access the (incomplete) menu. The "Show Menu Bar" option is missing. When will it be restored?

    <blockquote>
    How do I revert my download manager back to it's single line elegance (which could display >20 download, as apposed to the current 4)>
    -- There are lot of download managers, particularly in the Chrome store. Just do a web search for "download manager Chrome Store." And try a few. You can always uninstall them if you're unhappy. To use a Chrome Extension, all you need is to have installed the Opera extension, "Download Chrome extension" https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en Or Extension Source Viewer https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en [/blockquote]

    Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Opera's Download manager was a fit for purpose tool, the current one is not. When will it be restored? (If I wanted to use chrome extensions I would use Chrome.)

    [blockquote]
    How do I turn off themes (Don't like em don't want em)>
    -- You can import your own art for a theme. If it really turns you on to have nothing as a background, why, save a blank page on your computer. Then right click on the speed dial page, click on change theme, create your theme, choose file (and make that blank page your theme). It's easy to do. Now if you see something better on the web that you could live with, just right click on it, and save it as your theme. [/blockquote]

    What part of "Off" is hard to fathom? "Off" means I don't have to do silly unnecessary things. Themes are bloatware.

    [blockquote]
    How do I get private tabs (mobile can do it)
    -- None of the other major browsers do any more for desktop, not Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Not sure why? Probably the privacy for the user is better with a private window.
    [/blockquote]

    So Opera now follows what other browsers do?

    [blockquote]
    How do I block content?
    -- Simple. Get an Opera ad-block extension. I use AdBlock Plus,

    https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/opera-adblock/?display=en-GB

    and Disconnect in tandem https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/disconnect/?display=en.

    Some people use AdBlock https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/adblockforopera/?display=en by itself, or AdBlock Plus alone. These ad blocking extensions are quite excellent. I have absolutely no problem with ads, and am delighted with how well it all works.[/blockquote]

    I'm delighted you're delighted, but if it's no longer a feature, it ceases to be a reason for using Opera over other browsers.

    [blockquote]
    -- Have you even looked at the browser. Are you so lazy 🙂 that you asked these questions without even trying to understand the browser. Recently closed tabs is the fourth menu item from the top. They all show up there. You can open any of them. If you want a fancier setting, there are extensions that do it, like the Opera extensions, Simple Undo Close, or Browser ++. The Chrome Extension, Sexy Undo Close Tab is quite good. [/blockquote]

    Who was the moron who what used to be a simple button onto a menu? That's incredibly backward.

    [blockquote]
    It's simple to do the vast bulk of these things. You can't get your menu back, but that's in most cases one click on the alt key to see the menu (or at the worst if that doesn't work (alt f4, or click the logo). [/blockquote]

    I don't want the inverted logo tab, I want a menu that starts with "File"
    [blockquote]
    No reason you can't adapt easily.
    [/blockquote]

    There's no reason I can't just as easily adapt to any other new browser. Why should I invest in Opera?

    [blockquote]
    Complain less. Welcome change! There are a lot of good features in the new Opera including faster speed, and ability to access sites better.[/blockquote]

    A query is not a complaint, the complaint follows:

    Change shouldn't be 'welcomed', change should to be managed, I understand the business case for abandoning Presto, however what I don't understand is the abandonment of long established features.

    Sadly you've provided no compelling argument for Opera, but plenty for extensions, sadly extensions are available in multiple platforms.

    I guess I'll check back with version 33 and see if it boasts any improvement.

  • Just press the Alt key for the menu (or Alt f4 if it doesn't work for you) (if it does, it's just one key, right next to where you're finger is set up on a normal keyboard). That's simple.

    Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I know how to access the (incomplete) menu. The "Show Menu Bar" option is missing. When will it be restored?

    -- There are lot of download managers, particularly in the Chrome store. Just do a web search for "download manager Chrome Store." And try a few. You can always uninstall them if you're unhappy. To use a Chrome Extension, all you need is to have installed the Opera extension, "Download Chrome extension" https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en Or Extension Source Viewer https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en [/blockquote]

    Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Opera's Download manager was a fit for purpose tool, the current one is not. When will it be restored? (If I wanted to use chrome extensions I would use Chrome.)

    How do I turn off themes (Don't like em don't want em)>
    -- You can import your own art for a theme. If it really turns you on to have nothing as a background, why, save a blank page on your computer. Then right click on the speed dial page, click on change theme, create your theme, choose file (and make that blank page your theme). It's easy to do. Now if you see something better on the web that you could live with, just right click on it, and save it as your theme.

    What part of "Off" is hard to fathom? "Off" means I don't have to do silly unnecessary things. Themes are bloatware.

    How do I get private tabs (mobile can do it)
    -- None of the other major browsers do any more for desktop, not Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Not sure why? Probably the privacy for the user is better with a private window.

    So Opera now follows what other browsers do? Feature loss.

    How do I block content?
    -- Simple. Get an Opera ad-block extension. I use AdBlock Plus,
    https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/opera-adblock/?display=en-GB
    and Disconnect in tandem https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/disconnect/?display=en.
    Some people use AdBlock https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/adblockforopera/?display=en by itself, or AdBlock Plus alone. These ad blocking extensions are quite excellent. I have absolutely no problem with ads, and am delighted with how well it all works.

    I'm delighted you're delighted, but if it's no longer a feature, it ceases to be a reason for using Opera over other browsers.

    -- Have you even looked at the browser. Are you so lazy 🙂 that you asked these questions without even trying to understand the browser. Recently closed tabs is the fourth menu item from the top. They all show up there. You can open any of them. If you want a fancier setting, there are extensions that do it, like the Opera extensions, Simple Undo Close, or Browser ++. The Chrome Extension, Sexy Undo Close Tab is quite good.

    Who was the moron who moved what used to be a simple button onto a menu? That's incredibly backward.

    It's simple to do the vast bulk of these things. You can't get your menu back, but that's in most cases one click on the alt key to see the menu (or at the worst if that doesn't work (alt f4, or click the logo).

    I don't want the inverted logo tab, I never wanted it, I want a menu that starts with "File"

    No reason you can't adapt easily.

    There's no reason I can't just as easily adapt to any other new browser. Why should I invest in Opera?

    Complain less. Welcome change! There are a lot of good features in the new Opera including faster speed, and ability to access sites better.

    A query is not a complaint, the complaint follows:
    Change shouldn't be 'welcomed', change should to be managed, I understand the business case for abandoning Presto, however what I don't understand is the abandonment of long established features.

    Sadly you've provided no compelling argument for Opera, but plenty for extensions, sadly extensions are available in multiple platforms.
    I guess I'll check back with version 33 and see if it boasts any improvement.

  • For those who want old opera notes in Opera 15+ Go to: https://github.com/hallvors/opera-notes-extension
    On lower right side download zip file. Extract it where you can remember it. On Opera extensions page enable developer mode on top right of page. Hit Load Unpacked extension button and point to the extracted file. Once done hit options for the new extension, open notes.adr file from old opera in Notepad, select all, copy and paste into the open window and save. You now have all old notes and ability to make new ones as well as a Add to notes in context menu.

  • And for whoever said private tabs wasn't available in any current browser, not true. Firefox still has private tab but you have to download the extension Private Tab. I use it in Palemoon.

  • I guess I'll check back with version 33 and see if it boasts any improvement.

    Why bother? Your mind is closed (and already made up) so you'll be happier with another browser. So... see you back at version 33 (but my guess is: far before that number! LOL).

  • I've used Opera non stop for years (before Windows 98) and then there was the upgrade to a Chrome look alike. I tried to continue using V12 but on Windows 8.1 it would lock up chronic on my slow line.

    So sadly now, FF gets my vote. I've got speed dial, Adblock etc etc and it works just about fine ... just wish it would open tabs like I like them to be opened. Biggest thing I do miss is the old bookmark side bar. The problem I find is that I really did like the old customisation of Opera. I do have Opera on my system but it very rarely gets opened since it failed to upgrade last time around. It was good while it lasted. Yes, the world has moved on.... me too 😞

  • I guess I'll check back with version 33 and see if it boasts any improvement.

    Why bother? Your mind is closed (and already made up)

    Closed to what exactly?

    There's nothing in Opera 15+ to be closed to. All the features previously pioneered by Opera are gone or degraded.

    What exactly is the value proposition of Opera (With extensions) over Chrome with extensions?

    Neither has the features or flexibility I actually want (or use).

    so you'll be happier with another browser. So... see you back at version 33 (but my guess is: far before that number! LOL).

    Frankly Opera 15+ is much like Windows 8, some really great under the skin improvements marred by a fatally flawed (and ugly) UI.

  • What exactly is the value proposition of Opera (With extensions) over Chrome with extensions?

    That was already answered in the first page of this topic.

  • Rafael: they're not really interested in facts so don't confuse them any further (LOL). Seriously, they're just ragging.

  • 😢 I just want the opera note back. I can live without bookmarks icon but not the "Note". Evernote is not for me and I tried it with all heart then tried all other possible options but not the same. please just give a time frame like 6 months or 1 year but plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz don't remove it permanently. plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I am crying.

  • There's an extension for notes. Stop crying.

  • I am trying to adapt but I am not really feeling it sadly.
    And can you three, I think who you are, stop saying there are extensions for everything and this and that.
    That never works as good as it built in, as long as they can not really "extend it in to the program".

    Why would I want several different add-ons/extensions to do small but important things with there own little icon I have to click on every time?

    This opera Next does not even work correct here in the forums, it does not load the avatars.

    I have spent the entire day, well, off and on, to find a good replacement for 12.17, but not really feeling anything. Now I am trying to get this latest Opera Next to usable performance, but well, not really getting there.

    To me it feels like the people working on it now are not at all the same people that made the old so good and have no idea what really made it so.

  • I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not. The most popular browsers (i.e. Chrome, Firefox) use a myriad of extensions to add functionality to their browsers according to what individuals want. Opera is now doing the same. There is an extension for Notes. If your Notes are so precious to you, use the extension. Otherwise... find another browser or do without.

  • I was not talking to you about how it feels like, but the starter as he asked how many are adapting well.

    If they are doing very well maybe they can hire some more programmers then to speed up the development?

    What I and I guess many others are complaining about and that I don't understand why they praisers of the new opera are so furiously defending is that Opera used to have (yes in another engine) a whole bunch of amazing features.

    What I cant understand is that when you update your program you just stop supporting what you had and throw the users a underdeveloped beta of your new program. Normally I would expect a developer to keep supporting the old until the new was as good as that.

    The other browsers never had the functions in it in the first place anyway.

  • I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

    it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

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