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Opera 20 - Another unhappy loyal supporter

  • Hi everybody,

    I do not usually post messages on forums but I'm very disappointed with the last version of Opera.
    I'm using Opera for around 10 years now.
    I had to reinstall my computer last week so I updated my version of Opera with the latest one.

    No page to manage the bookmark : ok I can add bookmark at the top of the page but it's not very practical.
    It was better before.
    How can we save sessions?

    To do research I used Ixquick, search engine I setup as default in Opera 12.
    Now you have to use by default the following search engine : Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Wikipedia...
    Why I can't define another search engine by default??

    In addition, before (with Opera 12) you had a shortcut at right top to reopen closed tab.
    Now you have to go in the menu and select recently closed... why did you change this!
    I had to install an extension which is not as good as what we had in Opera 12.

    Perhaps I will come back to Opera 12 or another browser.
    Or do you have ideas to fix the missing functionality we had before?

  • You can reopen the last closed tab by right-clicking anywhere on the tab bar. Why do you need an extension?

    There are no sessions, best you could do is save things as a bookmark or speed dial folder. (Yes, you can right-click a speed dial folder and Open All.)

  • @maximiliennoireaut

    Your issues are a repeat mostly of what's been discussed ad infinitum in the forum. There are threads on most of it.

    Now Opera 21 works differently than Opera 12. Certainly, you need to consider whether to do without an extension, though A lot of the customizing now comes via extension. It's your decison there. Even if it's not all the same, you can get a lot of what you want.

    For sessions, here's a Chrome extension called Session Buddy, which is very popular and has a lot of downloads.

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/session-buddy/edacconmaakjimmfgnblocblbcdcpbko?hl=en

    There may be other extensions for Sessions too. You need to research it if you want something else.

    You can download and install on the new Opera a Chrome extension, as long as you have the Opera Extension, Called "Download Chrome Extension." https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/

    It sounds like you would like an easier way to bookmark and manage bookmarks.

    I would add the Opera Extension, Add Bookmark

    https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/add-bookmark/

    And also a good bookmark manager. The one I use now is Neater Bookmarks

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neater-bookmarks/ofgjggbjanlhbgaemjbkiegeebmccifi?hl=en

    Also many happy users, and a lot of downloads.

    As for search engines, the problem Opera had is that a lot of the search engines were being hijacked, and the person doing the search sent to dangerous (malware, etc) sites. So the default engines are limited (and rightly so: surely you would not have wanted Opera to be exposing you to danger). So, that should be no big problem. If you go to a page with the ixquick search that you like, and right click on a search bar there (here's a possible page for that)

    https://ixquick.com/uk/advanced-search.html

    you can add it too Opera. You can try this page. When you right click, you add it -- and notice it looks like the critical letter that you will have to type before your search query is an i (unless you change it). Fine, now when you do an ixquick search in Opera, just type the i before your search in the main Opera address bar. i (space) and then the search query. It's no big deal.

    Finally for undoing closed tabs, just click on the Opera Menu (top left of the browser) and four down from the top, you can see Recently Closed. Click on that and you can undo recently closed tabs. If you want more functionality, I use the Chrome Extension, Sexy Undo Closed Tab, https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sexy-undo-close-tab/bcennaiejdjpomgmmohhpgnjlmpcjmbg?hl=en I think it's great, and gives you more functionality there than you ever had with Opera 12.

    In any event, everything may not be exactly the same, but believe me, there is tons and tons of functionality. You just need to do a little work setting things up the way you want.

  • One thing which is't nice with extension is how they usually looks. Each extension has different style, starting from it's icon...

    If Opera has to be simple, perhaps Opera Software should provide us a few well designed extensions? 🙂

  • Which ones? We'd all, perhaps, have different favorites? Opera put in the browser what they felt was essential, and from there it's the world of extensions, or be happy with the basic browser. The main issue, though, is that this lament over lost functionality is bogus. Yes, not everything is the same, but some things with extensions are more and better. What I try to do is read the reviews of extensions, by doing a search for them on the internet. Also I look at how many downloads there are. Now you can uninstall extensions if you don't like them. But if the attack is on extensions, per se, there's nowhere to go with it. That's the new adopted model. By the way I remember a few years ago when everyone in the Opera Forum was attacking Active X.

  • I updated to Opera 21 yesterday and (if a user here is correct) I had Opera 16 before. It was at least before the design began looking like Chrome. Sure, it is fast and probably load pages better. But it does just feel like Chrome in the design and functions. I use Opera because I want Opera, not because I want a Chrome copy in both design and functions.

  • Look, it can use Chrome extensions, but it has some features that make it distinctly Opera. You lament functions lost -- presumably from Opera 16. What features do you want?

    You might want to look at this link where raffaelluik discusses differences between Opera and Chrome.

    https://forums.opera.com/post/31150

  • Look, it can use Chrome extensions, but it has some features that make it distinctly Opera. You lament functions lost -- presumably from Opera 16. What features do you want?
    You might want to look at this link where raffaelluik discusses differences between Opera and Chrome.
    https://forums.opera.com/post/31150

    I think that Opera 21 looks to much like Chrome. How the design and functions work. Some functions like bookmarks, recent tab trashcan, zoom window in right bottom isn't there anymore. There is some reasons why I never began using Chrome and those reasons seems to make me leave Opera as those things seems to have been included in Opera today.

  • I updated to Opera 21 yesterday and (if a user here is correct) I had Opera 16 before. It was at least before the design began looking like Chrome. ...

    FYI, the Opera version you previously had was most probably 12.16. Opera versions 7 through 12.xx all used the Presto rendering engine, and that contributed greatly to Opera's long-time "feel" and customizability. Versions 13 and 14 were not released as desktop browsers. Starting with version 15 (and since), Opera versions have all used the Blink rendering engine, and Blink's lineage descends from Chromium and Chrome... which gives it its Chrome-like "feel". (Just for the record.)

  • @4o3werfsfjsdlkq234we

    I think that Opera 21 looks to much like Chrome. How the design and functions work. Some functions like bookmarks, recent tab trashcan, zoom window in right bottom isn't there anymore. There is some reasons why I never began using Chrome and those reasons seems to make me leave Opera as those things seems to have been included in Opera today.

    There's more bookmarking in Opera 20 than you could dream about in any other browser -- from the Speed Dial with folders to the Personal bookmarks toolbar, Stash, and various and sundry bookmark manager extensions in the Opera and Chrome extension stores. The ability to store bookmarks is a damned abundance of riches. I've had on my browser and explored Firefox, Chrome, and Internet explorer 11 and, in my view, in terms of being able to store bookmarks, none of them come close to Opera 21.

    As for the trashcan, you might want to Install Sexy Undo Closed Tab from the Chrome store which has more functionality for undoing closed tabs than Opera 12 ever had. I use it in my browser. Also, Browse ++ in the Opera Store gives you a trash can for undoing closed tabs, as well as a notes function. I also have used it.

    As for zooming, i like simply using the keyboard shortcut O , and 9 for making text and images smaller. You can get them by clicking on advanced features for your shortcuts. I tend to think there are extensions that can give you more.

    If you want to leave Opera, so be it, but i haven't heard a reason from you that, to me, sounds very compelling. Opera 21 may have a Chrome-like feel, but it also has highly significant differences in features. Now for sure, some users have special needs that make opera 21 a less than perfect fit. I can understand that. That's why I asked what features concern you. I haven't heard one that doesn't make me think that for sure, Opera 21 would be for you an excellent, highly satisfactory browser of choice. While everyone makes his or her own choice, you say you just updated yesterday. You might want to spend a bit more time. If you do, i think, you may well find yourself pleasantly surprised with how well the new Opera, which is faster than the old, and accesses sites significantly better, functions for you

  • lem729 - Properly working, minimalistic and not green (Add Bookmark doesn't indicate whether you already have particular website in bookmarks or not, I've also changed the icon by myself, but...) "add bookamrk" button outside the bookmarks bar, bookmarks extension similar to neaterbookamrks... We have Smart RSS as well as Classic Tabs and RSS Detector but such basic functions sholud be provided by Opera too. I understand that they removed torrents, e-mail, I don't miss much functions like autorefresh too, and I really appreciate and use stash and even folders in speed dial (currently I've two folders there :)) and it's good, especially for Opera popularization, that some people can use extensions like feedly, evernote etc, but I don't get why Opera is so stubborn and don't see that at least some of us don't want to get all Opera 12 features back. We only want some basic functionality, a bit more of it. 🙂

  • I'm a firefox defector but I have to say... I liked the control and customization of what I was using and there's some things going on here that I'm really not used to. This can't be the browser that I've heard so many good things about, and I would like to know how to get a hold of version 12. Just as I was clicking an "unsubscribe" button in an email I had doubts about, something claiming to be an update to my opera browser popped up and I've repeatedly shut it down in task manager. You know this is a day and age when netiquette is pretty much out the window (LOL of course you know!) and you never know when something isn't what it represents itself to be. Maybe just bad timing, but the "X" in the top right corner of this thing was grayed out and nonfunctioning so I wasn't having it.

  • @mdjkh: wtf?! Stop spamming posts! You're banned for now.

    [edit: I reactivated your profile again. If that's going to repeat itself, I will shut it down for good!]

  • @lem729 - Thanks for all elements you gave me.
    I will take a look at Chrome extension and check what I can do with Opera 21 + extensions.

    Max

  • @herrpietrus

    On news feeds, I've really been enjoying Feedly lately. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/feedly/ndhinffkekpekljifjkkkkkhopnjodja?hl=en
    If you have't tried it yet, check it out.

    @maximiliennoireaut

    Great, it takes some adjusting/playing around with different extensions to find what you might like. It's easy to uninstall something, if after you tried it, you find that you're not using it. So it's no big deal testing. You can also make an extension inactive. It's kinda fun 😉 to explore all that's out there -- both the Opera extensions, and those in the Chrome store.

  • ... I would like to know how to get a hold of version 12. Just as I was clicking an "unsubscribe" button in an email I had doubts about, something claiming to be an update to my opera browser popped up and I've repeatedly shut it down in task manager. You know this is a day and age when netiquette is pretty much out the window (LOL of course you know!) and you never know when something isn't what it represents itself to be. Maybe just bad timing, but the "X" in the top right corner of this thing was grayed out and nonfunctioning so I wasn't having it.

    You can download older Opera versions (based on the Presto engine) directly from Opera's ftp server at: ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/
    Older Opera versions can coexist on the same computer as newer Opera versions without mutual interference.

    The newer Opera versions (based on the Blink engine) have built-in automatic updating, and there aren't any user controls to block such updating. However, one way to force a block to future updates is to manually rename the opera_update.exe file to something else (like opera_update.xxx). Note that you will have to be sure to do that for each new installation... and, as always, only rename Opera files while Opera is shut down.

    Also be aware that once you start an update process in any program in Windows, part of the updater mechanism can sometimes lodge somewhere in Windows and be a bit difficult to halt its nagging, even after you kill the updater per se. If that turns out to be the case for you, somebody knowledgeable about such things will have to inform you how to stop it from persisting, once started. I seem to recall running across a thread or two here on that subject, so you might want to try a forum search if it turns out to be the case for your situation.

  • Stick with 12.16. You'll be happier.

    What's with v21? Mine says v12.17 and I'm up-to-date...

    [Mod note: I removed your duplicate posts across other threads in the forum.]

  • @gdnctr

    Opera switched browser engines from Opera Presto to Opera Blink. The last version of Opera Presto is 12.17. Opera Blink started at version 15, and is now at Opera 21 (for a stable version). Opera permits a download of both Opera Presto and Opera Blink from its website. If you have Opera 12.17, it will, I understand, not update to Opera Blink. Now Opera is committed to working on Opera Blink. It is not working on Opera Presto anymore. That browser (Presto), while it has many wonderful features is a bit outdated, and has trouble rending some sites. Opera blink is faster, renders sites better, and is more a minimalist browser (with basic functions)as well as certain wonderfully unique features (a Speed dial where you can add folders of urls/landmarks for each position of the dial)(there is no browser on the internet with Speed Dial quite like this one), Stash, a Discover feature, Off Road Mode, and more. In Opera 21, most customization is gotten through extensions. With one Opera Extension, "Download Chrome Extension," Opera 21 users can download and install almost any extension in the Chrome store. And there are a lot of amazing customization opportunities there! Of course, extensions in the Opera store are also still available. Instead of bundling features in the new Opera 21 browser (many of which most users might never user), Opera is opting for providing generally basic features in this leaner, faster browser, as well as some of the new super creative extras (like the wonderful Speed Dial) and letting users decide which add-ons they want to install on their browser to provide the necessary customization. And you can stay with Opera 12.17 (because you may like features there that cannot be completely replicated in Opera 21 even with extensions), or install Opera 21 (and with extensions end up doing more in some areas than you could ever have done before with Opera 12.17. You can even download Opera 21, and use it and Opera 12.17 simultaneously until you can decide which you prefer.

    Here's a link to Opera 21 for download. http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/05/opera-21-desktop-released-aura-powered/

  • @gdnctr
    Opera switched browser engines from Opera Presto to Opera Blink. The last version of Opera Presto is 12.17. Opera Blink started at version 15, and is now at Opera 21 (for a stable version). Opera permits a download of both Opera Presto and Opera Blink from its website. If you have Opera 12.17, it will, I understand, not update to Opera Blink. Now Opera is committed to working on Opera Blink. It is not working on Opera Presto anymore. That browser (Presto), while it has many wonderful features is a bit outdated, and has trouble rending some sites. Opera blink is faster, renders sites better, and is more a minimalist browser (with basic functions)as well as certain wonderfully unique features (a Speed dial where you can add folders of urls/landmarks for each position of the dial)(there is no browser on the internet with Speed Dial quite like this one), Stash, a Discover feature, Off Road Mode, and more. In Opera 21, most customization is gotten through extensions. With one Opera Extension, "Download Chrome Extension," Opera 21 users can download and install almost any extension in the Chrome store. And there are a lot of amazing customization opportunities there! Of course, extensions in the Opera store are also still available. Instead of bundling features in the new Opera 21 browser (many of which most users might never user), Opera is opting for providing generally basic features in this leaner, faster browser, as well as some of the new super creative extras (like the wonderful Speed Dial) and letting users decide which add-ons they want to install on their browser to provide the necessary customization. And you can stay with Opera 12.17 (because you may like features there that cannot be completely replicated in Opera 21 even with extensions), or install Opera 21 (and with extensions end up doing more in some areas than you could ever have done before with Opera 12.17. You can even download Opera 21, and use it and Opera 12.17 simultaneously until you can decide which you prefer.
    Here's a link to Opera 21 for download. http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/05/opera-21-desktop-released-aura-powered/

    Now I understand. Thanks so much for the reply!

  • Hi
    I am on opera 21.0.1432.57 and using opera since version 6.
    With every new version my tolerance for opera is diminishing.
    I mis the ready out of the box old opera, with my simple bookmark en the other above mentioned tools.
    I can do without the stash, discovery and speeddial.
    I do not want to spent time studying extentions.
    At the moment i have to make do, out of loyalty to my history with opera.
    But, at this rate, my patience will run out.

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