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Opera 20 - Another unhappy loyal supporter

  • You're a Cyberfox user. Enjoy your browser. Have a nice day!

  • Seeing your spamming of other sites makes it clear just how much of a zealot you are though because once again I, like others, talk about the browser and trolls like yourself can ONLY attack the posters and not offer anything of substance in regards to the subject matter.
    Saying I go off-topic talking about users instead of the browser (and with no example attached) then shouting personal attacks at me? Yeah, thanks for making sure everyone knows who is hypocrite here!
    By what exactly, you haven't said anything that factually counters what I've said? (...)
    What I am is forced to go to the Chrome store or make due with Opera's small repository of extensions. I also don't see how such a entrenching to Google makes Opera an alternative anything
    I'm sorry, I should have know you're illiterate... You can't understand the simply fact that you're relying on the Chrome Extensions catalog because the EXTENSION DEVELOPERS didn't upload their extensions to Opera's Extensions catalog.

    Defending myself from your attacks does not make me a hypocrite. Nor does it make you literate, *simple not simply

    and one still must go to the Chrome store regardless of the reasoning, which was the point you haven't and can't dispute. It's why of course you NEED to resort to petty taunts and yet I'm the hijacker. smh

  • You're a Cyberfox user. Enjoy your browser. Have a nice day!

    yep, a former and loooong time Opera user as well.

    If alienating a good many of the current user base in hopes of procuring a new one is the approach, good luck with that but there really should be no surprise with any backlash either

  • okay, have a blessed day!

  • ... one still must go to the Chrome store regardless of the reasoning, which was the point you haven't and can't dispute.

    You don't need to go to the chrome store, but you can if you want to.

    Extensions are made by the community, not the browser developers(generally at least) so it's normal that opera's v15+ extension store is small since it hasn't been released that long ago compared to all the other browsers, it will need time to grow larger.

    If you see an extension that's not in opera's store but is in another browser, ask the extension developer if they would be willing to port it natively to opera and they might say yes, especially if it's a chrome one since they use the same engine which makes things much simpler.

    If they don't want to, you can either try and find/pay someone else to do it, give it a try for yourself or revisit your decision on using a chrome extension with opera.

    There's no magical solution, the opera devs are busy(I hope to god) working on bringing more features and fixing the many problems and limitation of the current browser so they don't have time to do the job of a few awesome people making extensions to add feature to their favorite browser.

    It takes time to create something, it doesn't appear from thin air.

  • been using opera since it's birth... i really hate updates on any program, due to many developers breaking a perfectly fine system. opera was my favorite browser never gave on it, even made my friends use it. since version 13+ i had to stop updating and stick to 12, recently i could take the update me !!! message and gave in... updated, and straight up what i see is this tablet looking interface. (wtf is "stash" and why can't i press ctl+ d to fav a site ...), i always loved opera because of its own distinct look but now look what happen all chrome firefox and opera look 99% alike... meh.. new opera isn't stable, and the worst of all opens 16+ processes, what i assume is happening is that it's opening a process for each extension. i loved the idea of a different tab for downloads.... now i have to open downloads and if i want to locate the file i have to navigate to jet another page then only i can get the info i could get so easily before... been using the new version for other a month and it's awful nothing to like but bit faster speed... + why would you try and advertise that you can use chrom extenctions... thats like saying hey we need to copy chrome maybe then people will join our browser... and jet again we see that you are not only losing users but also have plp move to 12... i might have to move my self i can't keep up with the idea of having multiple processes(abut 10) for 1 application. +++++++++++++==WHy DEVS of whyyy do you keep saying everything is fine when the community is telling you really really fucked the putch on this one, undo these changes and regain your fans ==++++++++= if anybody has a good browser that doesn't look like minecraft i will be happy to hear about it 😃 but for now switching to 12

  • Defending myself from your attacks does not make me a hypocrite. Nor does it make you literate, *simple not simply
    and one still must go to the Chrome store regardless of the reasoning, which was the point you haven't and can't dispute. It's why of course you NEED to resort to petty taunts and yet I'm the hijacker. smh
    Ohhh nooo 01 typo when I know exactly the difference between simply and simple, I guess I lost my point completely now.

    You continue being the hypocrite accusing me of misjudging you. You're the hijacker and the one resorting to personal attacks.

  • czerwix,

    Here's a thread discussing the multiple processes. They're actually a plus, helping the user.

    https://forums.opera.com/topic/2454/multiple-processes-for-opera-exe/12

    "As @Christoph142 noted: I'm wondering why so many people think that this is something bad and start complaining about it cause it's

    not! * * * it actually speeds up the application since processes can be run independently in parallel on different cores of your CPU."

    As for what the community is telling Opera, czerwix, it doesn't at all speak with your malcontent. Many in the community are saying, thank you Opera for a faster browser -- for one that gets us to more sites than Opera 12.17 ever could. Thanks also for a browser that isn't loaded with a lot of niche crap we never wanted (that slows everything down), but rather gives everyone the possibility of adding the extensions that they, in fact, do want. Let everyone be responsible for what they put on their own browser. A group of power users SHOULD NOT dictate what everyone is stuck with. For us, Opera Presto was heading to a dead end of over-convoluted code, with a hodge-podge of superimposed features, each one stacked on top of the last, the whole structure groaning and creaking. Thanks Opera for the changeover from the antiquated Presto engine to a fast and vital Blink engine, and with it, the starting anew.

  • Defending myself from your attacks does not make me a hypocrite. Nor does it make you literate, *simple not simply
    and one still must go to the Chrome store regardless of the reasoning, which was the point you haven't and can't dispute. It's why of course you NEED to resort to petty taunts and yet I'm the hijacker. smh
    Ohhh nooo 01 typo when I know exactly the difference between simply and simple, I guess I lost my point completely now.
    You continue being the hypocrite accusing me of misjudging you. You're the hijacker and the one resorting to personal attacks.

    Please stay on topic and post within the guidelines of this forum. Here's a refresher since you seem to be in constant violation of many of them

    Please follow these rules when participating in the Opera forums:

    1 Search before you add a new post or thread, to see if the topic has already been covered.

    2 Post in the right forum.

    3 Use a descriptive and relevant title for new threads. As a rule of thumb, try to use at least three words in the thread title.

    4 Describe the problem you are having clearly and to the point. Be specific, and remember to include important details, such as the exact error message or address of the site.

    5 Stay on-topic. Don't hijack other people's threads.

    6 Don't write in all-caps, and leave swearing, rudeness and flaming at the door.

    7 Don't post the same thing more than once.

    8 Read the announcements in each forum, and pay attention to announcement threads.

  • Haha, yeah, good joke.

  • I guess I am not greedy. I just want a few things, but I have no idea what they are called, so I can't search for them.
    http://i.imgur.com/sE5PBxC.jpg
    RSS is one thing, but I guess that is not hard to find.
    Now the tabbing system will be worse, since if it has the tabbing system it will likely lack the mouse extension to actually navigate it. Oh, and popping up tabs correctly. What I remember from using CHOpera over the easter was that I could not change what tabs I ended up in when I closed them.
    Oh, and Ctrl+Z and the waste bin.

    I would assume bonus points for a way to just dump all the bookmarks into a "Bookmarks" folder on the speed dial, just so I get quick links working.
    After that, I will most likely run into some other retarded inconsistency, and get mad, for no reason.

  • Sexy Undo Close Tab is quite good for dealing with closed tabs.. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sexy-undo-close-tab/bcennaiejdjpomgmmohhpgnjlmpcjmbg?hl=en

    And you can program it so Control Z opens closed tabs (and control shift T will be there to do it also) (For some quirk, I don't quite understand, that control Z doesn't work from the speech dial page, so if I'm there I use the Control Shift T).
    To use a Chrome exention, though, you do need the Opera Extension called, "Download Chrome Extension." https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en

    RSS is easy to find for Opera 21. I use Feedly (which is super), and also, Live News Feed (which works from the Speed Dial) both from the Opera store. And of course the Discover features of the Opera Speed Dial, with it's 14 subject areas, around 36 countries (change the country to get a different view of the world) and multiple languages is competitive with the best of the RSS feeds for subject areas, and information.

    On Tabbing, you have to do some looking at available extensions for easy navigation. One interesting one is
    the Opera extension, the Switcher, https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/the-switcher/
    where you open the icon to see a list of your tabs, or do it via keyboard with Control M. It's easy to deal with the tabs from there. Another possibility is, Quick Tabs for Chrome.
    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/quick-tabs/jnjfeinjfmenlddahdjdmgpbokiacbbb?hl=en

    In Quick Tabs (when you click on the extension icon) presents you with list of all the open tabs sorted in order in which they were recently use (I like this recently used idea). You can use the arrow keys (or the mouse) to quickly switch to the tab you want, or better still you can actually type some of the characters of the tab you are looking for and Quick Tabs will search in the title and URL to list only the tabs that match the letters you typed. Quick Tabs also keeps track of recently closed tabs and allow you to search and restore closed tabs as well.

    Now you say, "I would assume bonus points for a way to just dump all the bookmarks into a "Bookmarks" folder on the speed dial, just so I get quick links working." When you import your bookmarks from Opera 12 to Opera 21, you go to Menu/More Tools/Bookmark Importer. Now when you click on that, you get an option to move your bookmarks to the Speed Dial (it will put all of them in one position o the speed dial) OR to the Personal Bookmarks Bar. Most people choose the later, but you do have a choice. Of, course you can drag any bookmark on the personal bookmarks tool bar to the Speed Dial, and vice versa.

  • So Control Z is disqualified?. Thats a shame. Maybe it was a good extension.
    Switcher by its description, sounds like a gimmick tool where you use tabs as bookmarks. I can see the use, and it does apparently do something you could do in old Opera. Not a useful feature, but a very good one. But it seems inferior for what I asked for. And thats a shame.
    Quick tabs seems quite disqualified, and it does apparently just do what Switcher does, but quite a bit more elegant. That means its actually too horrible for real usage.

    Thanks for the rest, anyhow.

  • I wouldn't disqualify Sexy Undo Close Tab for Control Z. I think it's pretty good, and I use it on my Opera 21. It has a lot of nice features. First control Z generally works (the glass isn't half-empty) with the one caveat (that if you're on the speed dial page, just go control shift T or open another page for control Z). It gives a running count that you can see on the face of the extension of all closed tabs, and it can count very high with no problem. You can set it to keep the closed tabs available for reopening, EVEN AFTER you close the browser. So close the browser, go back, and the closed tabs from the last time around are there for reopening if you want. And a single click on the icon for the extension, shows all the closed tabs in a drop-down list, making it easy to find and open the one you need with a mouse click. If you have a lot of closed tabs, there's even a search box to help you find the one you want.

    On tab managing, I guess I didn't quite understand what you were looking for when you said: "Now the tabbing system will be worse, since if it has the tabbing system it will likely lack the mouse extension to actually navigate it." If you're referring to something like Mouse gestures, there's a Chrome extension called Smooth Gestures that has a lot of tab navigation. If you enlarge the pages in the softpedia article, you can see a lot of the gestures that it has.

    http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/windows/Smooth-Gestures-Review-178409.shtml

    Smooth Gestures is in the Chrome store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/smooth-gestures/lfkgmnnajiljnolcgolmmgnecgldgeld?hl=en

    It has over 12000 downloads, and is rated 4 stars so people do seem to like it.

    Anyway, good luck.

  • I'm rather shocked with what happened in this recent update to Opera, a browser which I've been using for years (heck, I even paid for v4, I believe it was).

    No single X in the upper right corner seems possible at this time for the tabs. What was once a deeply flexible toolbar has become Chrome-like and frozen in place.

    No Quick Preferences? Egad, that was one of the most winning attributes of Opera, for me.

    I simply cannot manage scrolling and clicking through a SpeedDial equivalent of hundreds of bookmarks, as if we all must pile into a mobile browser way of acting on the desktop. Sure, this is obviously anticipating a path to touchscreens, but that's still a ways off for proper desktop systems, IMHO.

    Certainly, I can go on, but complaining won't offer anything productive. I did want to offer that another long-time user is not catching up with this latest wave.

    It's apparent that much work has gone into this release, but I don't need another Chrome-like browser and am slower with this new design. I'll go back to 12.x until this new codebase offers more flexibility. Good luck to others.

    • wader
  • @wader

    I have an x in the right hand corner of my tabs, and I'm using Opera 21. I'm not sure why you don't, and I do. 🙂

    And you say, you "cannot manage scrolling and clicking through a SpeedDial equivalent of hundreds of bookmarks." Why don't you put most of the bookmarks in your Personal Bookmarks Bar, which you enable in Opera Settings/Browser/User Interface, and choose, "Show the Bookmarks Bar." Now you can have in that personal bookmarks bar, folders within folders within folders ad infinitum. It should be great for organizing. And you can always add a Bookmark Manager Extension. I like Neater Bookmarks in the Chrome store (which I find very good), but there are others. You can use the Speed Dial, just to showcase those bookmarks you come back to all the time. And you do know, I'm sure, you can make folders on the speed dial, by dragging the thumbnail of one link on the speed dial, over the folder of a second link. With folders on the Speed Dial, you can showcase more there too.

    The New Opera Settings are not that extensive -- only four categories -- Browser, Website, Privacy & Security, and Opera Help. Maybe there's why you don't have quick preferences. Just use the keyboard, Alt P, and you are immediately at settings/preferences.

    I think it takes a little time to get used to the different features of Opera 21. My thought would be to yes, go back to Opera 12.x, but use both. Get a little practice with Opera 21, and it won't be so forbidding. Even come into to the forum here, and ask questions about Opera 21 (or Opera 12), if you need help or suggestions. The best of luck to you!

  • @wader
    I have an x in the right hand corner of my tabs, and I'm using Opera 21. I'm not sure why you don't, and I do. 🙂

    Sorry, I should have been more clear: I have always used a single X for closing each tab in the upper right corner of the Opera navigation bar. It used to be that we could turn off the per-tab X feature and Opera would instead provide the single X, itself. In more recent versions, I could add a button to the bar for such a feature (and far more) from places such as the Wiki:

    http://operawiki.info/custombuttons

    Yes, settings have been streamlined in ways, but turning On/Off Javascript, etc. takes some additional navigation into and then out of a Settings page beyond the simple 1-2 menu presses that I used to navigate.

    Yes, I keep well-worn sites in my Speed-dial, but having nested views/folders is simply not how I work or search for sites of interest in most contexts from my saved links. I also tend to use a minimal toolbar approach and eschew use of a Bookmarks bar for maximum real estate - I'm far happier with quick menu pull-downs or panels that open/close for a quick task.

    Even Firefox has Chrome-ized itself a bit in its v29, but I was able to get right back to my desired shortcuts and other efficiencies within 10 minutes of installing their latest. That's essentially what I was hoping for Opera, but this isn't the first time Opera has started with a certain way of doing things before building itself up on a new codebase, I suppose.

    The new Opera browser is fast and sleek, so I hope that they can "open it up" to above (and other) possibilities over time.

    • wader
  • You can set it to keep the closed tabs available for reopening, EVEN AFTER you close the browser.
    Its called not closing tabs. And history. Then again, since I am used to Opera not impacting performance, I tend to leave it permanently open on my computers.
    Its sorta a non issue.

    On tab managing
    Right mouse + scroll wheel. Done.
    Ctrl + Holding tab without changing tabs before its released is another.
    There is imgur link there. If you don't understand what it is in the picture, please don't reply with anything stupid. No really.

    Smooth Gestures
    Useless gimmick to reimplent shit left lbm -> rmb, mouse movement + key to do stuff. Its bad. Its really bad. It has some use if the mouse has a good sensor, but thats it.

  • Opera 20+ series is complete crap. Pretty much all things that have made Opera good are gone. I have that plague on my laptop but using 12.xx in my main PC. Sometime after the updates stop coming to 12.xx it's probably time to switch.

    Last time I made a switch I think it was from Netscape Navigator to Opera and I have been mostly happy even though there were a few rather unstable versions along the way. And that switch was made back on like.. 2003? Can't remember exactly. The new chosen path really makes Opera a very, very dead option. I'm guessing the ONLY thing they care about now is mobile phones and they want to build a generic version around that.

  • @wader

    I also tend to use a minimal toolbar approach and eschew use of a Bookmarks bar for maximum real estate - I'm far happier with quick menu pull-downs or panels that open/close for a quick task.>

    I like a minimal toolbar approach. You don't need a permanently open Bookmarks bar in Opera 21. Get a bookmarks manager extension like Neater Bookmarks, that gives you a drop down of the bookmarks, when you click on the extension icon. As for the Personal bookmarks bar, just go alt P, and take the dot out of show the Bookmarks. Now you have a minimal interface. If you worry about making a bookmark, use the Opera extension, Add Bookmark, which puts a star in the address bar to make the bookmark, if you want. Or it's easy to put the bookmarks bar back for an instant if you need it -- just Alt P and put the dot back in. It's practically a toggle. Alt P and take it out. Alt P and put it back for the moment you want to see it. Remember, just clicking on the icon for the bookmark manager extension lets you see the vertical bookmarks in a drop-down vertical display. Most of the time that's all you need.

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