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Opera 12 Vs. Opera Next Functionality

  • @herudae,

    Thanks for your note. And good luck. Hmmmm. you tried Opera 8 times already. Something seems to draw you back. I'd call it intuition -- that voice within you that says, this is what i should be using. Sometimes, you don't get everything perfect. Listen to the inner voice. And for sure, 9 is a lucky number. :))) Have a great day!

  • @herudae: Good luck to you. I guess we all have to make decisions regarding what we will and what we will not accept (i.e. tolerate). For me the search engine is not a big deal and certainly having it as a bookmark is no issue. But I recognize I'm pretty easy about things and for others this IS a deal breaker. Anyway... all the best. Good-bye.

  • I have just tested the latest Opera 20 and have compared it with Opera 12.

    Missing Important Features:

    1. Bookmarks -- I have over 5000 bookmarks in Opera 12. They are just gone. An extension called "Bookmarks Manager" can import bookmarks from Opera 12, but this extension is considerably more inconvenient than the Opera 12 bookmark system. Without my bookmarks I cannot access some of the important websites I need to visit, especially my own 300+ websites. What a pity that I cannot visit MY OWN websites!

    2. meta redirect control -- "Meta tag redirect" is used to redirect visitors from old websites to new websites. This happens when you move a website to a new domain. With Opera 12, you can always visit such old websites. This feature has proven to be very useful when you are in the process of moving a website to a new domain. I own quite a lot of old websites. So, if I stop using Opera 12, I can never go back to my old websites.

    3. MHTML web page saving -- You can save a web page in ONE MHTML file with Opera 12. I have saved thousands of web pages in the MHTML file format with Opera 12. With Opera 20, you cannot save a web page this way, and you cannot view your archive of web pages saved in the MHTML format anymore. MHTML has been so useful, and I cannot give it up.

    4. Default font set -- The default font set is MS P Gothic (for Japanese-language websites anyway) with Opera 12, but it is Times New Roman with Opera 20. No Japanese use Times New Roman in Japanese, of course. As a result, Japanese-language websites look very strange, not the way they should look. This can be adjusted if you do a few things in the settings, but it is hard to find where to look.

    Good things about Opera 20:

    Opera 20 is certainly faster than Opera 12. But that is just about it: there is nothing else to praise.

    Bad things about Opera 12:

    With Opera 12, you cannot tweet on the PC version of Twitter, and you cannot follow or unfollow other accounts either. You need to access the mobile version of Twitter to tweet and follow / unfollow other accounts.

    My own decision:

    I will stick to Opera 12 at least for now. When I need speed, I will use Firefox. I cannot part with Opera 12 because of the first three problems I mentioned earlier. When I need to access Twitter, I will use Firefox or just access with Opera 12.

    By the way, I prefer to use Opera 12 especially when I write articles for blogs, because Firefox often deletes all my writings and I have to write the same things all over again.

    There are so many things that make me continue to use Opera 12, but there is none that compels me to use Opera 20 or Firefox, or for that matter, Chrome.

  • Did you try in Opera 20 Menu/More Tools, Bookmark Importer, and Check Import to the Bookmarks Bar. You could try managing your bookmarks from there. You can make folders within folders with an extension. Perhaps, Chrookmarks for Chrome, which I have and which permits the making of folders within folders. never use that primitive Opera Bookmarks extension, and I believe you can import from the place on the Menu I cited to you.

    Good luck.

  • Thanks for telling me about the Bookmark Importer, lem729. I have just tried it, but it has a few probelms.

    1. Some bookmarks are shown in the bookmark tool bar, and the rest of them is all hidden. There are a few problems with this.

    It is inconvenient to get to the hidden bookmarks because it takes extra time, and this extra time seems a little too much.

    Another problem is when I show my computer screen to other people. My bookmarks are basically secret. I do not want to show them to other people, but they are in the bookmarks tool bar so everybody can see. I often show my computer screen to students in my class. You can imagine an awkward situation when I do it with Opera 20.

    What I need is the same bookmarks system as the one in Opera 12. That way, you can hide your bookmarks easily by using folders.

    I have found that the same thing can be done with Opera 20 too, by dragging and dropping bookmarks folders into one folder. But it takes a lot of time to open this folder, and it is too inconvenient. "Over 5000 bookmarks" is not a joke; it is true, and a folder with 5000 bookmarks and a lot of sub-folders seems to work too slowly. Also I do not like the way bookmark folders work: it is just like Firefox bookmark folders. Those Firefox bookmark folders are terrible when you have hundreds of bookmarks in one folder: it takes too much time to go through bookmarks from the top to the bottom.

    I need to go through thousands of bookmarks quickly and efficiently every day. So far Opera 12 is the best for that.

    1. Bookmark folders open too slowly when thousands of bookmarks exist in them.

    This is what I have just talked about.

    The only problem with Opera 12 is speed, not functionality, I do not want Opera to change functionality. In any case, the reason I use Opera 12 is its functionality, not speed, and I am satisfied with the functionality of Opera 12.

    In conclusion, the Opera 20 bookmark system is useless.

  • @trinarystar

    On the "hidden issue, "I've found a solution for you in Opera 20 🙂 (I know 500 bookmarks is a lot, so I can't speak to whether this can work for you in terms of transferring them to Opera 20). I do know though that with the Chrookmarks extension (I provide a link to it below), you can easily make folders within folders by right clicking on a folder. You can't do that in the Personal Bookmarks toolbar. Of course you can drag and drop folders on top of each other in Chrookmarks too. So with Chrookmarks, you have a better vehicle for storing a helluva lot of bookmarks -- folders within folders within folders, ad infinitim. But anyway, the main point of this post was to put to rest your concern about the privacy issue because I found an new extension:

    1. First of all, you'd download the extension from the Chrome Store, Chrookmarks.

    You can play around with other extensions later to see if you can find one better, but try this one first as I like it, and I know it will on the issue you are concerned about.

    Now all of your bookmarks should show up in a vertical display in Chrookmarks, when you click on the bookmark icon. Unless you click on the icon, it's hidden (similar to the way Opera 12.17 works, when you don't show a bookmarks toolbar).

    (2) Go to Menu, Settings, Bookmarks, and TAKE THE CHECK OUT OF "Show the Bookmarks Bar."" Now your bookmarks WILL NOT display across the top of the browser. The only display will be hidden -- a vertical display if you click on the Chrookmarks icon (which is the way Opera 12.17 could work -- with a vertical display.

    (3) Now you do need to be able to make a new bookmark, not just have the ones you added from Opera 12. So download Add Bookmark Extension from the Opera store.

    What this does is gives you in you a right click extension menu on any page you want to make a bookmark the ability to make the bookmark. Right click on website to test it. And choose add a bookmark, and it will show up in the Chrookmarks display. You can leave it where it is there, or drag it to a folder. Chrookmarks permits organizing alphabetically or chronologically.


    Your bookmarks are private. No display across the top of your browser that anyone can see.

  • @trinarystar

    I just realized you can also add a new bookmark to the bookmarks bar by clicking the star icon on the right side of the address bar. Now if the bookmarks bar isn't showing, the item you just bookmarked still shows up in your bookmarks in Chrookmarks. So all in all, you can hide your bookmarks quite well in Opera 20.

  • What I really do not understand is why those of us who hate Opera with Blink are considered anti-progress, old-world-advocaters and evil conservatives. I love progress. I really would love to see Opera progress, but here is what Opera Blink / Next / New engine / etc. has brought us:

    • no 64-bit version
    • simpler yet less useful bookmarks
    • no customer support from Opera

    And these the lacking features why we (or at least me) loved Opera in first place. Take these out, and it does not deserve to be called Opera any more. Also I do not see the point in making a very ill copy of Chrome with way less features. If I wanted Chrome, I would install Chrome. Which is not a browser, but a spy-software. But to have a dumb version of Chrome with a red O on it? Why would I? It makes no sense. And not because I would be against progress. I am against meaningless stuff - especially with a very reduced feature-set.

  • Here is what Opera blink has brought us -- lighting fast speed, better rendering of sites, an innovative Spectacular Speed Dial, the best on the internet, more bookmarking possibilities than with any other browser on the web, Off Road mode, for those with less than stellar computers or wifi, Disocover Mode for those times you want to click a few links and travel round the world in multiple languages, and Stash (for the place to store something real quick, that you intend to come back to. Opera as an innovative designer of software hasn't given up anything through the years. It's a company with a breakthrough browser in Android and with the completely dazzling Coast for Opera, for which words can barely do it justice. There is no reason to be discouraged. Indeed, there is only reason to be encouraged with where we are now with Desktop Opera 20. The future is for those who don't let the nattering nabobs of negativism, like tgaal, destroy your pleasure.

  • lem729, Thanks for your comment. It looks like that there is another version of Opera 20 which I have not tried yet, and it is totally different from the one in the downloads session of Opera. I hope some day I too will discover the browser you are talking about. I would really love to.

  • Opera 20 is superb. It is the one in the downloads section. Can't you smell the coffee brewing :))))) I've never had as much fun browsing as with it.

  • OK. I am convinced now. Not. You might have not been with Opera from v. 7, so you did not see all the fine stuff Opera started way ahead of the others and have now ditched. I really am for progress, but losing features (especially those that other browsers have) is not a good way to progress. You can strip the browser down to dry bones so that it would be lightning fast, but this is not the only reason why Opera was great. No wonder some are still using v 12.
    Thanks for the tip. I will go now to have a coffee and then I might forget about my love for Opera and consider it what it really is: a copy of Chrome.

  • I was with Opera, when you had to pay to use it (around 2005). I believe it was well before Opera v. 7.. It's an entirely different concept now. I don't need or want all of the features that you do. Nor do I believe the vast majority of users would want those features. So why overload the basic browser with them, and slow it down, and make it clunky. If there's need, let it be met via good developer extensions. And of course, I do mean good ones. In fact I'd never use many of the features you want. I would prefer a simpler cleaner faster basic browser, and then add, only what I personally need or want via extension. If what you need isn't in the basic browser, ask for the developers to add extensions to meet the need. Opera Presto is becoming and will become increasingly incompatible with websites. So the way to go is with Opera 20 which is a fast, minimalist browser, open to a wide range of extensions, and capable of giving a better rendering of sites than Opera Presto.

  • Beautiful words @lem729!

    I think Firefox is trying to clone Opera 12, just check the new version. No one can deny, New Opera gives an amazing browsing experience!

  • @sidneyneto

    Thanks, my good man. And yes. it is what you say. When I go to desktop, and start with the Speed Dial -- all of my favorite choices there -- it makes me smile. I looked at the latest update of Fireox for a comparison, and it's just not in the same league :)))

  • @lem729

    The number of my bookmarks is not 500. It is 5000, that is, FIVE THOUSAND. Opera 20 does not seem to be able to properly handle this many bookmarks.

    I already had around 500 bookmarks a year or two after I started to browse the Internet for the first time. That was a long time ago. Most of the people living in Japan did not access the Internet at that time, and Bill Clinton was still having fun with his secretary at the White House if my memory serves me correctly.

  • No I appreciate your problem. 5000 is not nothing. There are not that many people in the world who have that many :). You are a collector. i can't speak in the abstract on whether it can or it can't, as I haven't sat there with that many trying to make Opera 20 handle them. My guess is the problem may be more related to importing them so that they are manageable. I had hoped maybe a bookmark manager extesnion, but I do appreciate that it is not easy. The best of luck to you!

  • LOL... back in the "day" when AltaVista was the major search engine, you just bookmarked it and when you wanted to search, voila. Bookmark DuckDuckGo by placing it on your QAB or your Speed Dial. Is it really sooo very inconvenient or hard to do? Opera is not dead by a country mile but there will always be certain ones who demand it perform exactly as they wish OR they storm off to find something else. (sigh)

    So you're saying that we need to do something that you did back in the AltaVista days? How in the hell can that be considered progress? Like I've already said, change is not synonymous with improvement. I also think having our choices limited is what we have issue with because Opera has taken many of them away with this move to Blink.

  • No, Opera has added many choices too. Because of the greater availability of extensions for Opera Blink, the ability to access websites that were becoming more difficult to do under Presto, more choices on bookmarking too, where suddenly the speed dial (with folders) (the best damn speed dial on the planet) has beome an option to the personal bookmarks bar. etc. But look, is the glass half empty or half full?. You choose to see it as half empty. Looking at the world that way always makes it hell. You're happily using another browser, Cyberfox (is it?) that you seemingly like, but you feel the need to come here (in so many different threads) and post and essentially trash Opera. There are others who very much enjoy Opera (count me as one), and new users who are trying to get a sense of the browser, to get their feet wet with how to do things here. What compels you, my man, to try to poison others by still posting here and constantly, insidiously ;)) smearing Opera. Is that your modus operendi? Maybe if you could personally bankrupt Opera, you would be happy. Just let it go! Move on! Enjoy Cyberfox and leave us in peace.

  • ... But look, is the glass half empty or half full?. You choose to see it as half empty. Looking at the world that way always makes it hell. You're happily using another browser, Cyberfox (is it?) that you seemingly like, but you feel the need to come here (in so many different threads) and post and essentially trash Opera. ... What compels you, my man, to try to poison others by still posting here and constantly, insidiously ;)) smearing Opera. Is that your modus operendi? Maybe if you could personally bankrupt Opera, you would be happy. Just let it go! Move on! Enjoy Cyberfox and leave us in peace.

    There are many users, though perhaps not a majority, who remain discontented and disappointed with the discontinuation of the design of Presto Opera and the perceived loss of so much of its configurability and its clever ways of doing a lot of things, built up over many years of development and user-involved testing.

    Some of these users harbor a gut-level, instinctive perception that if they just keep criticising and explaining the importance (to them) of the things not present in Blink Opera, somehow Opera's developers will "see the light" and put them back in - or else, even toss up their hands and revert the design back to Presto. Unfortunately, gut-level instinctive perceptions are not always right, and I (though I'm one of those 'discontented' users) believe the Opera browser die has been cast, so to speak. That is, Opera is not going to reverse itself and return to Presto; most of the specific and detailed configurability I revered in Presto Opera is not going to return under Blink; and new features are irreversibly replacing old features because Opera's perception of the user base it is seeking to attract has fundamentally changed.

    So either a user adapts to reality and moves along as best they can, or they keep hoping against hope that their continual carping and criticism will somehow cause "the miracle" to occur so that things will go back to where they were. The latter is a common human trait, linking "denial" with the human tendency to continually seek a return to "normalcy". Unfortunately, the trait can also leave one living outside of reality... and that's not a good place to stay for very long.

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