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Opera 12 Vs. Opera Next Functionality

  • Leushino is quite right. Indeed, I believe you have robust bookmarking possibilities in Opera 20. One can bookmark tons of sites via the super speed dial (I think I must have close to 100 in mine), can set up a personal bookmarks toolbar by enabling it in settings, and even add a bookmark extension (I use Tidy Bookmarks from the Chrome store for a more traditional vertical display of bookmarks, when I want to show it, and I am quite happy with it) (there are though other bookmark extensions that come recommended too). In addition (while it is not the main show) one can use Stash for bookmarks (I like it for certain extras I want to have available on short term basis -- maybe a video or news interview I want to watch at a later time), and also one can download a notes extension for some more bookmarks. Smile. I mean it's not perfect, maybe, nothing ever is, BUT there is an abundance of riches there too. With the "in all ways" extraordinary speed dial for starters, it is really quite impressive -- the bookmarking capability.

    Herudae, you mention problems with Opera rendering sites. Well, let me mention that that is a significant reason from the shot away from Opera Presto to Opera Blink. The new Opera (with the blink engine) renders sites significantly better than the old Opera with the presto engine.

  • Hello I just wanted to know about main differences between Opera 12 and Opera Next, specially about lost, improved and added features, and what of the missing features are in development to add them in later updates. For example, I thought Opera Turbo was lost, today I learned that it's not lost but changed its name to Off-Road Mode.
    Thanks

    I can tell you that the mail and torrent clients will NOT return. Nor will notes and seemingly a bookmarks manager. Customization might come back but they don't really seem to be saying much in that regard. The search bar seems gone forever and, as you probably have noticed, you can't use your own search engine as a default or remove the pre-packaged ones The new Opera is faster and encounters less site incompatibilities but it's also significantly more resource heavy.

    If you took the time creating your Presto install to something very functional you might want to hold onto it until this matures a little more

  • I think the idea with Opera blink is to be: lean, mean, and fast :))) No need to burden the browser with matters easily handled via extension. A look at the Opera extension store and Chrome extension store already show numerous bookmarking managers and notes. I use Tidy Bookmarks for Chrome, which I'm satisfied with (as a bookmarks manager), and Browser ++ (in the Opera store) for notes (as well as searching all open tabs, retrieving previously closed tabs). More extensions will come, whether in the Chrome or Opera stores, and provide even more functionality. The bookmark manager and notes situation is already reasonable.

    Of course searches are done in Opera via the address bar. The are five default engines, but it's simple to use any search engine you wish by adding it to Opera by right clicking on the search bar, at the search engine's website. Even if it is not a default engine, using it for an Opera search is quite simple. In terms of privacy, Disconnect Search (in the Chrome store) is a terrific extension. With it, whatever you type in the address bar as part of your search apparently cannot be traced back to you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.disconnect.search
    Disconnect Search creates a separate search bar, but also lets you search from the main address bar.

    I see no problem with having and using Opera 20, but also holding onto an Opera 12.16 install. It would be the best of both worlds. And by the way, that's what I do.

  • I think the idea with Opera blink is to be: lean, mean, and fast :))) No need to burden the browser with matters easily handled via extension. A look at the Opera extension store and Chrome extension store already show numerous bookmarking managers and notes. I use Tidy Bookmarks for Chrome, which I'm satisfied with (as a bookmarks manager), and Browser ++ (in the Opera store) for notes (as well as searching all open tabs, retrieving previously closed tabs). More extensions will come, whether in the Chrome or Opera stores, and provide even more functionality. The bookmark manager and notes situation is already reasonable.
    Of course searches are done in Opera via the address bar. The are five default engines, but it's simple to use any search engine you wish by adding it to Opera by right clicking on the search bar, at the search engine's website. Even if it is not a default engine, using it for an Opera search is quite simple. In terms of privacy, Disconnect Search (in the Chrome store) is a terrific extension. With it, whatever you type in the address bar as part of your search apparently cannot be traced back to you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.disconnect.search
    Disconnect Search creates a separate search bar, but also lets you search from the main address bar.
    I see no problem with having and using Opera 20, but also holding onto an Opera 12.16 install. It would be the best of both worlds. And by the way, that's what I do.

    Disconnect is fine for your searches but there is a problem with using the Chrome store. Many of the extensions require you to have a gmail account and you if you don't have that you need to give your phone number to register one. That's the main reason I abandoned any and all Chrome clones because without the extensions what are you left with? Not all require you to have one though but still, why should any at all?

  • I'm not a fan of Google but I have an account since I make use of some of their properties. So what? One has to pick his ethical battles, so to speak, and I have no problems making use of what I need. Big deal. I don't know why people insist upon making things do black and white. Our world is many shades of gray.

  • If you didn't understand what I said I'll explain it to you, again,

    I'm pretty sure it was a joke, you know!, 'Ha! ha! ha!'. But it may have got lost in translation. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

  • alreadybanned, why not just set up the gmail account. just don't use it. Use what you like. Compromise ๐Ÿ˜‰ in the name of the greater good -- geting Disconnect Search. The general Disconnect extension is very good and already is in the Opera store. Maybe Disconnect Search will come to the Opera store, and then problem solved. I still can't figure out why some things are in the Opera store (They carry Disconnect) but not others (they don't carry Disconnect Search). (the Chrome store carries both). Perhaps the issue is the company that does the extension, and they just haven't done the paperwork to put disconnect Search in the Opera store.

    Here's the contact email if you want to ask the question about getting it in the Opera store

    support@disconnect.me

    And a general faq

    https://disconnect.me/search/help

  • Ok, thanks, my browser is in spanish and both terms (Off-Road Mode and All-Terrain Mode) are translated as "Modo Todo Terreno".

    Where can I find All-Terrain Mode? I am just curious.

    If you didn't understand what I said I'll explain it to you, again, my browser is in Spanish it says "Modo Todo Terreno", in english it can be translated as All-Terrain Mode or Off-Road Mode, and both engish terms are translated as Modo Todo Terreno, this is just like you, in english, have the verb "to make" and the verb "to do", both of them are translated as "hacer" in spanish, just one verb to express the two english verbs aforementioned.
    I hope this helps you to understand.
    Thanks Lem, I love the Stash, very useful.
    As a matter of fact I was not an avid user of Opera Browser, I loved the project and its functionality, but it always had problems to show web pages that other browser didn't have. I remember that among the services the Opera Browser had the Opera Unite, Opera Link and Opera Turbo services, as well as the capability to manage userscripts without addons like greasemonkey, I know Chrome/Chromium and derivatives can manage userscripts too, but what about the other features?
    I also noted Opera doesn't have bookmarks ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    I understand, thanks for the explanation.

  • alreadybanned, why not just set up the gmail account. just don't use it. Use what you like. Compromise ๐Ÿ˜‰ in the name of the greater good -- geting Disconnect Search. The general Disconnect extension is very good and already is in the Opera store. Maybe Disconnect Search will come to the Opera store, and then problem solved. I still can't figure out why some things are in the Opera store (They carry Disconnect) but not others (they don't carry Disconnect Search). (the Chrome store carries both). Perhaps the issue is the company that does the extension, and they just haven't done the paperwork to put disconnect Search in the Opera store.
    Here's the contact email if you want to ask the question about getting it in the Opera store
    support@disconnect.me
    And a general faq
    https://disconnect.me/search/help

    Using it or not isn't the issue, I'm not willing to give google my phone number. In order to get a gmail account you need to give them your mobile number that they verify with a text message. That is intrusive and unnecessary imo. They already have a picture of my house on google maps street view. I don't see giving into such practices as compromising but rather acceptance of devious tactics and that, I'm not going to do.

    I would much rather grab extensions from Opera's repository but it's just too lean at the moment. And if I'm honest, I am rather concerned about the partnership with google seeing as you can not remove the search from the browser. It would be simple enough for Opera to make that possible but they haven't so...

  • alreadybanned, why not just set up the gmail account. just don't use it. Use what you like. Compromise ๐Ÿ˜‰ in the name of the greater good -- geting Disconnect Search. The general Disconnect extension is very good and already is in the Opera store. Maybe Disconnect Search will come to the Opera store, and then problem solved. I still can't figure out why some things are in the Opera store (They carry Disconnect) but not others (they don't carry Disconnect Search). (the Chrome store carries both). Perhaps the issue is the company that does the extension, and they just haven't done the paperwork to put disconnect Search in the Opera store.
    Here's the contact email if you want to ask the question about getting it in the Opera store
    support@disconnect.me
    And a general faq
    https://disconnect.me/search/help

    Using it or not isn't the issue, I'm not willing to give google my phone number. In order to get a gmail account you need to give them your mobile number that they verify with a text message. That is intrusive and unnecessary imo. They already have a picture of my house on google maps street view. I don't see giving into such practices as compromising but rather acceptance of devious tactics and that, I'm not going to do.
    I would much rather grab extensions from Opera's repository but it's just too lean at the moment. And if I'm honest, I am rather concerned about the partnership with google seeing as you can not remove the search from the browser. It would be simple enough for Opera to make that possible but they haven't so...

    I never gave and will not give my number, I have had a Google account for 3 years.

  • I never gave and will not give my number, I have had a Google account for 3 years.

    https://accounts.google.com/SignUp?service=mail&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fmail%2F&ltmpl=default

    Do you by chance have an Android phone? They don't ask for it then because they already have it, without your consent no less. I had a gmail account way back when it was in beta, they didn't ask then either but I deleted it because of the growing distrust I have with them.

    That's all I'll say on this though as I've gone long enough off topic

  • Second step authentication is the ONLY reasonably safe way to log into accounts these days. I would not dream of simply relying upon a password which are far too easy to hack. Google have had my number for a very long time (as has Microsoft for that matter) and I feel perfectly safe knowing that no one can hack into my account without my phone being physically present.

  • alreadybanned,

    You say you can't remove the search from the browser. But you can remove the Google Search bar from the speed dial. And you do not have to use the Google Search at all. I have not given google my cell phone number, alreadybanned, though they ask for it saying it would help them contact me if there is a security issue. I have given them my landline number.

  • You can remove it from view by way of jumping through hoops that are not made common knowledge to average users. But again, why am I not allowed to remove it entirely? Why can I not use a search engine of my choice as default?

    So you both do acknowledge then that a phone number IS required by google. You're ok with that and that's fine, I'm not

  • What is the problem? Seriously... I fail to understand your concern. I use Bing as my search engine. I've made a link to its portal and dragged it onto my QAB. Simple. You insist that everything must be done according to how you want it done. However, it's free software and if it doesn't do things exactly as you think it should, then use something else OR do what we do and use a workaround. And why you balk at giving a number to Google is beyond me. It is the safest way of logging into one's account as I previously mentioned.

  • I'm not surprised you fail to understand. After all, you criticise me for wanting options as wanting things my way and then turn around and defend totalitarian companies that insist you do things their way.

    opยทtion
    [op-shuhn]
    noun
    1.the power or right of choosing.
    2.something that may be or is chosen; choice.
    3.the act of choosing.
    4.an item of equipment or a feature that may be chosen as an addition to or replacement for standard equipment and features: a car with a long list of feature that may be chosen as an addition to or replacement for standard equipment and features: a car with a long list of options

    Company websites get hacked, that's a fact. I trust my sensitive information to my head with simple algorithms that allows me to change things regularly without the need of writing them down or storing them in some sort of compromisable cloud

    Those who would sacrifice the good of liberty for the price of security deserve neither liberty nor security ~ Benjamin Franklin

  • I never gave and will not give my number, I have had a Google account for 3 years.

    https://accounts.google.com/SignUp?service=mail&continue=http://mail.google.com/mail/&ltmpl=default
    Do you by chance have an Android phone? They don't ask for it then because they already have it, without your consent no less. I had a gmail account way back when it was in beta, they didn't ask then either but I deleted it because of the growing distrust I have with them.
    That's all I'll say on this though as I've gone long enough off topic

    I check my account config and I did not put my number.

  • The company needs a contact no. to protect me (contact me) if my account has been hacked. Or so they say. But I did like the Ben Franklin quote. Thanks for sharing it. We all have different levels of intrusion where liberty is an issue.

  • Two step authentication is going to be universally accepted. I suppose I'm "slightly ahead" of the times. LOL

    I understand hesitation at giving out one's phone number so I'm not condemning anyone who chooses otherwise. We all need to find our own level of comfort.

  • I check my account config and I did not put my number.
    I second that, and it's easy to click "Ignore" while creating a new account and they ask for your number.

    I use Bing as my search engine. I've made a link to its portal and dragged it onto my QAB.
    There isn't even a need for that, just set Bing as default in the settings as it's one of the default search engines.

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