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An option to disable the "mute tab" button

  • Breaking functionality is a bug.

    Mute tabs work as it should. The fact that Chrome, a different browser, has a different flag doesn't mean that Opera or any other browser that does not offer the same experiment are breaking any functionality.
    Flags are not settings. Flags are experiments that developers can turn on and off at any time.

    You can't disable the mute button. You could do this before. I would like to still be able to disable this annoying mute button, especially since the right click context menu makes it redundant.

  • You can't disable the mute button. You could do this before.

    Nope, it was never possible. What you could do was disable the experiment itself. As there is no experiment anymore...

    I would like to still be able to disable this annoying mute button, especially since the right click context menu makes it redundant

    So you should post here or on the blog explain why there should be such option, if possible with a good user case to support your request.

  • OK in addition to logging a bug with the user case, I am posting it here. I am explaining why there should be such an option. What more can I do to give a convincing user case? Do you need to see the look on my face when this annoying mute button surfaces, or when I can no longer disable this retarded experiment?

  • Note that I am not requesting the complete removal of this annoying mute button that somehow made it onto a browser tab, of all places. I am merely echoing the request made by other users for user choice in the matter. I do understand that some people may very well want to click on their tabs in order to mute media that is running on the page, despite there not being a rational use case for such a scenario. The idea behind configuration settings is a win-win scenario.

    As an user, I merely want to be able to disable this annoyance, and any other feature that some developer thought was a great idea but that annoys the living crap out of me. Your other others feel the same, considering I did not start this thread and it was an annoyance long before it annoyed me, and that some users do want to use it. A configuration setting makes it possible for both of us to use Opera and enjoy it.

    I am not interested in getting semantic about what constitutes a bug or not, I merely want to enjoy the same functionality that Opera had previously offered me and which is no longer working. What is more is it won't take anything away from those who want a mute tab button.

    All features should enjoy the same standard: Use them if you want, disable them if you do not want to use them. In my view, a feature should not leave the experimental stage under any circumstances, until the user configuration options for such a feature are completed too. Which includes the option of disabling it entirely. Just like you can disable ad blocking, battery saver and the proxy entirely if you do not wish to use them.

  • OK in addition to logging a bug with the user case, I am posting it here

    You should not use the bug report system for requests.

    I am explaining why there should be such an option.

    Sorry but you didn't say anything valid so far. Saying that such option should be implemented just because other browser has it is not a valid argument.

    Also is invalid saying that the button should not be there just because the option appears somewhere else. Redundancy is common in softwares.

    What more can I do to give a convincing user case?

    Providing a valid one may help.

    Do you need to see the look on my face when this annoying mute button surfaces, or when I can no longer disable this retarded experiment?

    Nope, personal opinion or preferences don't matter for them to decide if something will be implemented or not. you need to show why implementing what you want may be useful and good for the users and not just for you.

    Use them if you want, disable them if you do not want to use them

    Or just don't use them.

    In my view, a feature should not leave the experimental stage under any circumstances, until the user configuration options for such a feature are completed too

    This would be an utopia. Not only in browsers or softwares there will be features that you will not be allowed to disable.

  • I would love the option of not using this annoying mute button, but I do not have such a choice. You see, the button is on top of the tab, and as the person who started this thread told you already, if you click on a tab to switch, then you mute that tab.

    This is contradictory to user expection, and it is in fact a bug.

  • Make that user expectation.

    Perhaps if you answer my questions, then I can provide you with a reason that you can understand.

  • Nope, personal opinion or preferences don't matter for them to decide if something will be implemented or not. you need to show why implementing what you want may be useful and good for the users and not just for you.

    Yep, personl opinion or preferences do matter to decide if something will be implemented or not otherwise this silly mute button would never have seen the light of day. This looks like a vanity project some lone ranger developer did while drunk.

    Personal preferences always matter. That's why you have this thing called Options.

  • Sorry but you didn't say anything valid so far. Saying that such option should be implemented just because >other browser has it is not a valid argument.

    As mentioned, if you read my comments, Opera had the option to disable this annoying mute button on the tab.

    Not other browsers, Opera. I even gave you the version numbers.

  • Description:
    I click on a tab to switch to that tab. Meanwhile, that tab has media playing and the media is now muted. One click does two things because of a mute button appearing on the tab.

    My objective is to switch tabs, or do other tab-related operations. Contrary to user expectation, media that is contained on the page is now muted.

    Steps to reproduce:

    1. A broswer has various tabs open, of which one is playing media.
    2. Click on the tab that is playing media.
    3. Hear the media mute.

    Atual result:
    The tab switches as expected, but contrary to user expectation, the media is also muted. A mute button appears out of nowhere when the mouse hovers on the tab, and users can't help but click on this mute button.

    There is no way to disable the mute button that is on the tabs. There used to be one in Opera. There is no longer such an option, so you cannot choose not to use this annoying mute button.

    Expected result:
    A setting under Options to disable the mute button that appears on tabs.

    Heuristic evaluation:
    All media related settings should ideally be grouped together in the same logical place, while all tab related settings should ideally be grouped together in a similar logical place too. This is why it is sloppy user interface design to put a media-related control like a mute button on a tab. The logical place for a mute button would be with other media related buttons (pause, play, skip, volume - hey, actually not the kind of thing a browser should be doing in the first place), while tab-related settings are expected to appear on the tab.

    This is why it's a good idea to put an X on the tab, for closing the tab. This is a tab-related setting. Or putting a new tab button on the side of the tabs where the new tab is expeted to appear. Also a tab-related setting. Or putting a pin tab option in the right click context menu, but there's no sane reason why a mute button, which is not even a tab related setting, should enjoy preference over any tab-related option on a tab.

    Furthermore, Nielsen's heuristics offer the suggestion that user control and freedom are paramount. It's perhaps a good idea to read over Nielsen's heuristics before putting something unexpected like a mute button on a tab, and then making it do surprising things when in reality all that could be argued for is a system status notification there. For example, showing which tab is making the noise is a good idea. Making it suddenly change into a button when the mouse hovers over it and then mixing in media controls with tab controls breaks so many common sense user interface guidelines that the person who implemented this feature creep was clearly acting on a limb.

  • Still a bug in version 42.0.2393.94

  • Still a bug in version 42.0.2393.94

    It's not a bug.

  • It doesn't matter. The issue is 100% reproducible, I have made my case for why this should be an option that gives user control over the behaviour of their own browsers.

    Now you want to get petty over what is a bug, and what is not. Please stick to the topic, namely a feature/bug that users want resolved, and let's not get philosophical about your understanding of what constitutes a bug.

    Software not behaving according to user expectation is a bug. You may disagree about that, but you are still stuck with a browser that isn't behaving according to user expectation.

  • This issue was first identified in the developer preview of Opera. I made Opera aware of it then, and noted that it isn't present in the official release. I asked nicely, please don't break your browser further and don't let this slip into the official stream.

    Note that this is an issue to your users. You wax lyrical over whether it is a bug or not at your own peril.

  • leo you say "personal opinion or preferences don't matter for them to decide if something will be implemented or not. you need to show why implementing what you want may be useful and good for the users and not just for you". But the whole reason for continued development is to satisfy the personal preferences of users, so that they will continue to use Opera, or whatever product, and not switch to a replacement. devilears has taken the time to point out something he considers important; most users of a product will not bother and will simply seek out something more suitable. His persistence marks him as representative of a group Opera's developers ought to take seriously.

  • ut the whole reason for continued development is to satisfy the personal preferences of users, so that they will continue to use Opera, or whatever product

    Well, in part it may be true but it's also true that a company can't simply add everything its users ask without carefully analyzing if it's something worth to implement. And well-founded user cases can help showing them that the feature/option/change/whatever may be worth implementing.

  • Perhaps you have missed the use case I sketched out above, which I specifically bothered with to conform to the requirements listed elsewhere on the forum as to how new features should be brought to the attention of Opera developers.

    I agree that a company cant' simply add everything its users ask, but it is worth noting that users who come to Opera have a wide range of other options. What sets Opera apart from the other options? To me, it is not different features. I specifically switched to Opera from Firefox because Firefox also took away configuration settings, which I was using at the time.

    Again, someone developed the options away. There was an option to remove the mute tab button. Perhaps it was not intended, but it worked, and it stopped working at some point in a developer version. I was enjoying the developer previews, despite them not always being ready for release. I imagine that the purpose of the developer previews is to make your lives easier, since users can bring things to your attention before you roll out featuritis in official releases.

    I maintain that users should have options and there's no conceivable reason why someone would develop away a configuration setting.

  • I still do not have the option to disable the mute button on a tab in Opera 45.

  • I still do not have the option to disable the mute button on a tab in Opera 45.

    I wouldn't expect it to come in a near future.

  • Too bad as I really want to use Opera as my main browser but I can't because the mute button keeps muting content when I don't want it to be muted.

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