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  • Chromium based browsers stopped supporting XP and Vista exactly because Chromium ended support for those OSs.

    But they don't have to drop it if they don't wan to, just as Slimjet didn't.

    Nobody 'has' to do anything, they do what they choose to do and thus must deal with whatever costs are associated with doing it. Chromium code contained unique elements for XP, and that is now deprecated - meaning it's being removed from chromium code as various code blocks are worked on for various reasons. That means things will break if the code is run on XP - perhaps major, perhaps minor things. As to what breaks in which emerging chromium version, it's hard to say. Rather than risk promising compatibility that suddenly breaks, many chromium-based browser makers simply avoid installing new versions into XP systems. And Slimjet has not guaranteed XP support forever, merely 'for now'. Whether that means they're testing in depth for XP breakage and either patching what they can or sticking with an older chromium engine version for XP users that still works, I don't know. But there's a cost in doing whatever it is they're doing, and that's a cost that other chromium-based browser providers may elect to not incur.

    Vista is a similar story, but with lower immediate impact. Its similarities to Win7 mean that much of its functionality will still be covered in chromium code that works for Win7, but that is no guarantee that some unique issues somewhere down the way won't impact browser usage with Vista suddenly or in some particular area. And of course, when Win7 eventually goes unsupported by MS, that means deprecation of Win7 will occur in chromium, and any residual compatibility with Vista will certainly evaporate then as well.

    The key point is that it's problematic to guarantee OS-compatibility of an evolving browser with an operating system that is no longer supported by its maker. 'No support' means there's nobody at the OS maker for the browser makers to call for answers regarding issues that arise when trying to properly interface to an unsupported OS. So either the browser maker must abandon unsupported OS's, test each browser version extensively with the specific unsupported OS each time chromium is updated, write special workarounds for issues that are found to arise, or simply fork the browser to use the last known-compatible chromium version for that unsupported OS until its no longer safe to do so because of growing unpatched chromium issues. All of these choices raise their own issues for a browser maker, and all but the first choice adds cost/risk to the process. Not all makers are willing to do that for the ever-shrinking user market represented by an obsolete OS.

  • The key point is that it's problematic to guarantee OS-compatibility of an evolving browser with an operating system that is no longer supported by its maker.

    Except that Vista is still supported by MS till April 2017 (which is why I'm still using it).

  • April 17/2017 is just ten months away. Then what? Update your OS to a more modern system. I struggle to understand users who insist upon using older systems unless cost is a factor.

  • "an affair to remember" :idea:

    "canadagoose ... People are expressing their opinions as they see fit.

    It's not up to you to determine which comments are "silly" or foolish.

    If someone is using XP and it fulfills their needs, that's their choice, not yours"

    I beg license to use these words as if were mine. What about go to page 1 and take a new view ?

    :idea: :idea:

  • I recently had to work with a PC with Windows XP, I hadn't the permission to upgrade it, but I could change the browser because Chrome now has this banner saying its support will end soon.

    I tried the latest version of Firefox and worked well.

    Idk how much it will take to Mozilla to stop working on Windows XP, but right now it seems like the better choice.

  • "an affair to remember"
    "canadagoose ... People are expressing their opinions as they see fit.
    It's not up to you to determine which comments are "silly" or foolish.
    If someone is using XP and it fulfills their needs, that's their choice, not yours"
    I beg license to use these words as if were mine. What about go to page 1 and take a new view ?

    Nor is it up to you to tell me what I can and cannot post. I also am expressing "my" opinion and I stand by it. Unless it is a financial restriction, remaining with an old, unsupported OS like XP is foolishness plain and simple. Someone using such an outdated, insecure system is a threat to himself as well as others. He needs to upgrade it or pull the plug.

  • unsupported OS like XP is foolishness plain and simple.

    Vista is still supported (even if only has less than a year left).
    If MS hasn't dropped it yet, no one else should.

  • unsupported OS like XP is foolishness plain and simple.

    Vista is still supported (even if only has less than a year left).
    If MS hasn't dropped it yet, no one else should.

    Yes everyone should support ~10 year old system with 1.4% market share. /y

  • unsupported OS like XP is foolishness plain and simple.

    Vista is still supported (even if only has less than a year left).
    If MS hasn't dropped it yet, no one else should.

    Companies can do whatever they please. You're not paying for the browser but using it as a free offering from Opera. Either update your OS or find another browser. But you're going to discover that your dated OS will be an increasing disadvantage to you going forward.

  • So it seems the takeover failed:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-opera-software-m-a-china-idUSKCN0ZY0CA

    The so-called Kunqi consortium, which includes online and mobile games distributor Beijing Kunlun Tech Co and search and >security business Qihoo 360 Technology Co, will now buy certain parts of Opera's consumer business.

    It will acquire Opera's mobile phone and desktop computer browser business, its performance and privacy apps division, its technology licensing business, as well as its stake in Chinese joint venture nHorizon.

    I am pretty much ignorant about how this works. I don't know if this is a better or a worse notice, because the Chinese will now try to buy some parts of Opera, and IMHO, the most important ones. Does this mean that the Desktop and Mobile dev team will be separated from Opera too? Does this mean Opera will stay as it is, and the dev team will now only do what the Chinese demands?

    Anyway... I am glad the takeover failed, and I hope the new one will fail too. Opera has become the best browser for Desktop, and even if I will be happily use it even if Opera is owned by the Chinese, I don't want to experience the day when the Chinese decide that Opera for Desktop and/or Phones isn't profitable enough to keep pumping time and money on it.

  • Pretty much everything we have a forum for except Opera TV, according to the story I read earlier. Not the advertising business, but we don't have a forum for that.

  • Does this mean that the Desktop and Mobile dev team will be separated from Opera too?

    Not necessarily. Most probably Opera will be split so that the areas included in the new offer will be part of a company and the others will be part of another.

    Does this mean Opera will stay as it is, and the dev team will now only do what the Chinese demands?

    Most probably it means that instead of those guys investing their money in Opera and getting dividends for that, there will be some Chinese companies.

    I am glad the takeover failed, and I hope the new one will fail too

    It may mean less money for Opera and, in consequence, it may affect Opera's development.

    I don't want to experience the day when the Chinese decide that Opera for Desktop and/or Phones isn't profitable enough to keep pumping time and money on it.

    Well, the current owners can do it too.

  • Pretty much everything we have a forum for except Opera TV, according to the story I read earlier. Not the advertising business, but we don't have a forum for that.

    Sounds like you start turning Chinese 😎

  • I'm hoping the new owners don't turn into UC and Maxathon and try to data mine you. Otherwise straight to Firefox I go.

  • Otherwise straight to Firefox I go.

    Or Slimjet.

  • From Breakingviews.com, ... Norway’s Opera Software is selling parts of its business to a Chinese consortium for $600 million after a full takeover did not get regulatory approval in time. Yet investors are still in the dark about why the deal did not proceed. The proposed partial sale is little consolation.

    To be honest, for me personally, if Opera has ANY association with China, then I will drop it like a hot potato.

    What was Opera thinking?

  • What was Opera thinking?

    This is how business works.

  • ...
    To be honest, for me personally, if Opera has ANY association with China, then I will drop it like a hot potato.
    What was Opera thinking?

    It's not what Opera was thinking, it's what the majority of stockholders (the real owners) were thinking. Whenever one sells something, their focus is on receiving maximum financial return for the thing being sold. Everything else, in the real world, is secondary. Who buys it and for what purpose are at best secondary considerations. The seller's focus is on his selling value, and what becomes of the sold 'thing' becomes the buyer's problem. Sometimes moral or compassionate factors enter in and elevate secondary factors to primary significance, but that's frankly a rare occurrence. If you can cobble together more money than the Chinese consortium has offered, Opera's board (acting in its stockholders' interests) would most likely sell either the whole operation or the latest pieces to you.

  • Opera Sold. I think it's good. In both PC & Smartphone's market Opera's share is too low. In PC Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox are the giant & in smartphone UC Browser overcame & beat Opera although it's born after so many days of Opera. And UC is a Chinese browser which is the 2nd most popular browser after chrome. I think Opera needs to change game plan that's why they sold the whole browser sector to Chinese. By the way, I don't trust on Chinese law. Some of their law's are silly & bullshit.

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