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Opera Sold

  • I just found out that opera sold a portion of its product to qihoo 360 search and security.

    Not exactly. The part of Opera that makes the browser was acquired by a fund/consortium in which Qihoo partcipates.

    What does this mean for opera? Will opera users security and privacy now be at risk?

    This have been discussed since the beginning of this thread, maybe you should read it from the start if you haven't done yet.

    Like was said, it's would be very difficult - not to say impossible - for Opera or any browser to include some kind of spying code without being noticed. However there isn't any (easy) way to prove it so it would depend on you to believe on it or not.

    I personally believe that it may be more easy to put a back-door in some hardware to spy on people.

  • You know, Leo, you just got me thinking. I have a Lenovo Carbon X1 ThinkPad made in... uh... China! LOL

    And here I am worried that Opera may be spying on me when in fact it would be easier to insert the code into the hardware I'm using. It seems a little ironic, doesn't it.

  • And here I am worried that Opera may be spying on me when in fact it would be easier to insert the code into the hardware

    And they don't even need to do it with a hardware in our computer or in our home, they can just do it with a hardaware used by our ISP like a router and capture everyone's traffic.

  • For all of us, it comes down to trust: who do we trust and why? The level of trust we extend and under what conditions are usually driven by what we're trying to protect - or protect against. For most users, the practical importance of software-suite code integrity/tightness against criminal hacking attacks far outweighs the real-world risks of nation-state planting of snooping code modules within a commercial program on their system. Criminal hackers can make profitable use of personal data from nearly anyone in the world whose data they can successfully access; nation-states typically have far more selective needs and purposes for acquiring personal data.

    In other words, I'm much more concerned with the security of my software code against criminal hacking exploits than I am worried about nation-state penetrations of my system. Were I engaged in criminal actions, a member of an oppressed national people-group, or involved in national-security work, my perspective obviously might differ somewhat. But as has been pointed out, there are other much more productive mechanisms for nation-states to exploit for the data they seek rather than tapping into the general public's commercial software: embedded hardware, ISPs, Internet backbones/trunks, microwave links, etc, etc.

  • Blackbird, this makes sense. My own particular concern is more related to Qihoo given its past actions. I'm not as bothered by the nation of China itself but rather the consortium that now owns Opera. And yes, it does seem to boil down to trust. With whom do you place your trust? Some argue that placing their trust in Kaspersky is fool-hearty.

    Leo demonstrates his trust by using Opera for financial transactions. Do you? I'm just curious mind you.

  • For all of us, it comes down to trust: who do we trust and why?

    That's it. Like I said a few times before, usually we use/buy something because we like it, it fits our needs and we trust it.
    And all the things are, above all, personal.

  • Leo, on a personal note, do you use any other browsers or is Opera your sole browser? I know you've been extremely active in helping with Opera support for many years now. Were you an Opera user back in its Presto days?

  • Blackbird, ... Leo demonstrates his trust by using Opera for financial transactions. Do you? I'm just curious mind you.

    My own situation is not very typical for normal users. Because I routinely handle sensitive data online involving other persons and entities, I almost always use Firefox specifically for financial transactions, and have done so for years. However, a large part of the reason for that is because full, immediate, glitch-free website compatibility at almost any site is virtually guaranteed for Firefox; a lesser reason for it is because I personally feel that I can clear Firefox of any and all browser-stored data/history fragments more securely and easily after a session than with many other modern browsers.

    In the rather few personal transactions I've done outside of Firefox, I have used both Opera and Vivaldi with no real qualms about their security. Alternatively, most of my routine, non-sensitive online activity is done using only Vivaldi and Opera, with almost none of that kind of activity being done on Firefox.

  • Thanks for the feedback.

  • do you use any other browsers or is Opera your sole browser?

    I have other browsers installed but I pretty much just use Opera. Eventually I use the other browsers to check a page or if a page doesn't work fine in Opera.

    Were you an Opera user back in its Presto days?

    Well, I've been using Opera since version 3.5x so I guess the answer is yes. 🙂

  • microwave links

    lynx

    Well, I've been using Opera since version 3.5x...

    caveman Opera

  • microwave links

    Hmm. That looks more like a vampire lynx

  • I don't know how this thread was hijacked into this silliness but I wonder if we could pull it back onto the topic of Opera's ownership and the ramifications.

  • I don't know how this thread was hijacked into this silliness

    Well, this is a speciality of @joshl ...

    Not sure why someone respectable like @blackbird71 responded to it though.

  • I don't know how this thread was hijacked into this silliness

    It's the Lounge, a little bit of off-topic is allowed.

    Well, this is a speciality of @joshl ...
    Not sure why someone respectable like @blackbird71 responded to it though.

    So you joined just for it? Not a good start for sure.

    Well, let's go back to our normal programming.

  • You didn't hover on the image, did you?

  • You didn't hover on the image, did you?

    No, I didn't hover on it - I wanted to avoid those fangs as much as possible. 😉 The 'microwave links' term I noted earlier referred to the data links used by certain telecoms for relaying some of their traffic, most typically in areas where cables or fiber are too costly to lay (high-rise urban, rural swamps, mountains, etc). You've perhaps seen the large towers with heavy-duty antennae on them. The moment data traffic goes off into the 'ether' by radio/micro-wave, it becomes essentially a directed broadcast - anyone relatively near the path line-of-sight can intercept it, the only challenge then being to break the signal encryption (if any). Moreover, that interception potential exists between every tower along the full relay path, often comprising hundreds of miles - assuming, of course, that the snooper hasn't placed interception gear directly into one of the tower's relay equipment itself.

  • HI all i'm new here i was going to install opera i asked the people at opera they assured me its safe to use, whats your all take on it before i install this program for a secondary browser?? thanks for any feedback you can provide.

  • HI all i'm new here i was going to install opera i asked the people at opera they assured me its safe to use, whats your all take on it before i install this program for a secondary browser?? thanks for any feedback you can provide.

    If you read this topic you may find what you are looking for.

  • HI all i'm new here i was going to install opera i asked the people at opera they assured me its safe to use, whats your all take on it before i install this program for a secondary browser?? thanks for any feedback you can provide.

    If you read this topic you may find what you are looking for.

    Hi leo i did i see you use it and i talked to Opera Dev on the developer blog i feel its safe enough to use and went a head and installed it as my secondary browser, i like the idea of having a proxy vpn to do private searches and such. thanks for the reply back and god bless, and happy new year.

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