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  • They simply refuse to accept reality.

    As I've indicated before, I completely agree with you and blackbird71 about the "reality", but I believe that your conclusion is flawed, for two reasons. One, many of the posters whom you're referring to do not accept that you and others who explain this "reality" actually know more about it than they do. ... Two, people are driven primarily by emotion and only secondarily by fact/reason, and one of the main reasons people come here is simply to have whatever satisfaction can be gained by expressing their dissatisfaction on an Internet forum. ...

    Your observations have much validity. But why I sometimes try patiently, and at such length in posts of this kind, is for the very reason of explaining the "why" of things, so that others might better understand "reality". If nobody explains it occasionally, how are they to learn? At least this way, they will have had the facts and explanations laid before them. Whether they then get their "emotions" under control and accept the current reality (unpleasant though it might be) is up to them, of course. But not accepting and dealing constructively with reality is a sure path to discontent and unhappiness.

    As I've posted before, I'm not happy with certain aspects of the Blink Opera releases to date, though I know others who are. But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the developers and to Opera, in terms of waiting to see what features and configurability improvements ultimately emerge. I've used Opera for many years, at little or no cost to me... Opera's Presto browsers were often superb - though not always, and not without some real turmoil along the way. Given all that, I feel I owe Opera some patience to see where they eventually take their Blink implementation. Perhaps they'll finally "get there" for what I personally need in a browser; perhaps not. But life will still go on. If the browser doesn't evolve in "my" direction, there are always other browsers.

  • You see, Blackbird, how your message goes right over the heads of the cry babies? They simply refuse to accept reality. (sigh)

    What I see is someone who incessantly cries about people they label cry babies.

    Blackbirds post seems to have gone over your head as well because I (once again) fail to see how your rhetoric assists someone who is having difficulty upgrading now that their xp install is giving them problems.

    (sigh)

  • For what it's worth, Opera 12.16 is still working fine here on Windows XP with all the latest updates, and long may Opera 12.16 (and Windows XP) both continue to do so!
    🙂

  • I cant speak for others but for me I took the time to post my questions and concerns to show my support and appreciation for what opera was and what I hope the new version may become I fail to see why people are interpreted as cry babies or failing to control their emotions for pointing out the facts as they see them facts are facts not emotions. Furthermore the idea behind opera (to me) was transparency that is it was designed to be fast and simple as well as customizable rather than media rich and controlling like other modern software that uses the model of deciding what is best for endusers by giving them little choice.It seems that that many corporations rarely pursue this concept of being open and direct while some prosper of the fact that people want to support their integrity. If one were to make an observation about blackbirds post he mite view it as rather emotional and controversial (no offence blackbird) though I am not offended by it.I currently use opera 20 in hopes it will turn out to be a good and I would like to support its development and this includes being able to advise friends and others that opera is a good reliable browser to use.

  • explaining the "why" of things, so that others might better understand "reality". If nobody explains it occasionally, how are they to learn?

    Agreed. And you've done that well, which I'm sure has benefitted not only many who've posted here (and on the previous forum) but many who've only viewed, as well.

  • How to make a great browser turn into a pile of crap for a few users.

    I want a complese menu of settings, i cant log into gmail or google anymore
    i want the menu bar back, i dont like short cut , im not a technician im a user who like menus

    great job sabotaging opera browser....

    well. never before firefox looked soo good.

  • I have no problem logging into gmail or into Google. Not sure what your problem is but it isn't Opera 20. I guess if you must have a menu and you must have it now, then Firefox is a good alternative. Bye.

  • Seems like they are listening to their customer as much as Steam/EA/Codemasters. This is shite. More of my rantings can be read here https://forums.opera.com/discussion/1831985/yes-once-again#Item_4

    Total waste of time talking now to the devs, we are stuck with this shite. Looks like the money will be rolling in from now on for the Opera team. LOL.

  • Used Opera since the shareware days. The new Opera is a disgrace, all members who made the decision to go down that path should be sacked. Then return development of old Opera.

  • I have no problem logging into gmail or into Google. Not sure what your problem is but it isn't Opera 20. I guess if you must have a menu and you must have it now, then Firefox is a good alternative. Bye.

    Your business acumen is on display again I see

  • mantrhax wrote:
    <great job sabotaging opera browser....
    well. never before firefox looked soo good.>

    You are soooo right!

    Yesterday I installed the latest Firefox-version and had been totally delighted:
    looking brillant, colourful and nice - just fun.

    But: startup-time 16 seconds, though I have only a handful add-ons installed. No way to get this better.

    In oposite: Opera start-time 5 seconds and fast.

    What shall I do with a browser, when I have to wait a long time for coming up, though looking soo good and pretty?

    People complaining here should think before they take time to write anything.

  • I started using Opera some 10 years ago mostly so the browser I used for private browsing in work was different from the one one used for work. I got to like especially, at that time, the speed - important when you had a 256k connection.

    Naughty, I know, but I liked the Crtl+H feature that hides the browser to the notification area. That went and was replaced by Crtl+shift+H (Ctrl + H brought up the history instead) but you had the option to change it back - I'm using 12 here and can still do it.

    I had to restore my computer at home and that now has version 20 - it looks to be faster - but I miss that feature.

    Speed dial is probably the feature that kept me using the browser even when its compatibility with some websites was iffy.

    I'm not going to go back at home but will keep 12 for the foreseeable future at work.

  • mantrhax wrote:
    You are soooo right!
    Yesterday I installed the latest Firefox-version and had been totally delighted:
    looking brillant, colourful and nice - just fun.
    But: startup-time 16 seconds, though I have only a handful add-ons installed. No way to get this better.
    In oposite: Opera start-time 5 seconds and fast.
    What shall I do with a browser, when I have to wait a long time for coming up, though looking soo good and pretty?
    People complaining here should think before they take time to write anything.

    All browsers start up times seem to be longer than they used to be but your times are a gross exaggeration. On an old P4 system, Firefox takes 5 seconds and Opera takes 4 seconds. That time is negligible imo but what isn't is the hour or so spent using them. Firefox works the way I want it to because it affords me the flexibility to manipulate it to suit the way I work/browse. Something Presto Opera was the best at. That's the main reason I used it and could not stand using Chrome.

    I really can't understand either how some can make the excuse that Blink Opera is not a finished product!? Then why put it on the market? It should have been developed alongside the far more polished Presto version but then again, Chrome still looks and feels like an unfinished product to me so....

  • I started using Opera some 10 years ago mostly so the browser I used for private browsing in work was different from the one one used for work. I got to like especially, at that time, the speed - important when you had a 256k connection.
    Naughty, I know, but I liked the Crtl+H feature that hides the browser to the notification area. That went and was replaced by Crtl+shift+H (Ctrl + H brought up the history instead) but you had the option to change it back - I'm using 12 here and can still do it.
    I had to restore my computer at home and that now has version 20 - it looks to be faster - but I miss that feature.
    Speed dial is probably the feature that kept me using the browser even when its compatibility with some websites was iffy.
    I'm not going to go back at home but will keep 12 for the foreseeable future at work.

    Good story. I hope stuff like this gets noticed rather than the rants which the sycophants prefer to put all the focus on

  • 2 weeks ago I decided to give the "new" Opera browser, Opera 20 a new chance. I also was one of those people who did not like Opera 15 when it was released, and have been using v. 12.16 meanwhile.
    And now, after 2 weeks with Opera 20 I finally begin to like the browser. It is clean, simple and maybe more stabile than older presto versions. Actually I think I will delete Opera 12.16 from my computer because I don't see any features in old Opera 12.16 that I will be missing.

    Happy surfing.

  • Great to hear, Jarmush, instead of the same tired rants we've been subjected to for months now. I'm sure you'll find that as time goes on the new browser will be even more amazing. Happy surfing indeed.

  • Yhym... when more add-ons like Smart RSS appears...
    opera is better than chrome only for two reasons. First: Built-in speed-dial
    Second: Built-in Gestures.
    I could also mention password manager, but it's still buggy...
    And Opera doesn't have bookmark manager.

    As for startup times - these are bad jokes in all modern browsers.

  • I will delete Opera 12.16 from my computer because I don't see any features in old Opera 12.16 that I will be missing

    If a user accustomed to Opera 12.16, with its painfully slow rendering and increasing incompatibility, isn't going to miss any of the features that make Opera 12.16 distinctive/valuable, then there's no reason whatsoever to use Opera 12.16 and every reason to abandon it (for anything else), in which case Opera 20 would have to look good, wouldn't it? I'm glad for the poster that Opera 20 is working for him, but this is not a persuasive endorsement of Opera 20.

  • Doesn't need to be a 'persuasive endorsement'. In point of fact, nothing would please you anyway other than Opera abandoning its course (which it will not do) so whether you are persuaded or not is of no consequence.

  • Doesn't need to be a 'persuasive endorsement'. In point of fact, nothing would please you anyway other than Opera abandoning its course (which it will not do) so whether you are persuaded or not is of no consequence.

    Of course it doesn't "need" to be a "persuasive endorsement", and neither do the "tired rants" you refer to need to be persuasive critiques, unless you hold critiques to a higher standard than commendations(?).

    My point was not a matter of whether I am persuaded that Opera Blink is or will be a good or very good (or, to use your PR-style verbiage,"even more amazing") browser; rather, my point was that jarmush's post is no more persuasive than most of the "tired rants" that you persist in commenting on. More pleasant, yes; but not more persuasive. As for "consequence", none of the opinions, pro or con, of Opera Blink expressed here are of any consequence as far as Opera ASA is concerned; the only "consequence" of any posts here is that which may exist for some users of this forum.

    BTW, while I'd prefer it if Opera ASA were to add certain Presto features to Blink,I may well end up using Opera Blink as my main browser, as I choose not to use extensions.

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