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From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind

  • My main concern is that it seems the devs of opera chrome are actually trying to create negativity by not answering posts about simple basic functionality issues and whatnot ... I really get the feeling that opera pc users were abandoned but rather than getting bad publicity opera devs decided to act like they were trying to continue but the users gave up on them. I mean why is there no presence on the forum if they actually wanted us to believe that they intend to bring back the feeling of opera into the modern version. If opera chromium is not a priority than why create it to begin with ... was opera bought out by an entity that stands to gain from its demise...

    Opera ASA is not a mega-corporation, though it is publicly owned by multiple stockholders. Opera's forums have always been constructed around the concept of users helping other users having Opera browser questions and issues. Opera supplies the forum servers, and sometimes their developers will browse through those threads carrying titles that are relevant to their own expertise areas. But the primary forum "help" and responses come from other Opera users... even most, if not all, the forum mods are volunteers. This leads to several observations:

    1. Opera developers don't exist to defend Opera strategic decisions. They exist to write code, implement features or bug fixes, and follow corporate strategy.

    2. Thread/topic titles matter. Don't expect Opera devs to waste time plowing through threads whose sole reason to exist is to ventilate criticism of Opera design decisions made a year or more ago, let alone expect them to respond to such complaints.

    3. Companies don't make major design revisions on a whim, nor turn their operation directions "on a dime". Whether or not "opera pc users were abandoned" in the decision to shift the desktop browser to the Blink engine, the decision has been made and the browser is being redesigned. Opera is not about to suddenly change their minds about that just because of yet one more endlessly repeated complaint. They will watch the marketplace and how those results interact with their plans and strategies.

    4. Politeness matters. If one wants to get a point across, then they should politely document it with their reasons and suggestions, then supply it to the appropriate place in the appropriate way. Far too many complaint threads are initiated with just plain nasty, rude, and inflammatory posts, which in turn stimulate the flame wars that are seen to soon break out in nearly every one. Why would any rational developer wish to involve himself in any such thread? It would be an utterly pointless waste of his time, since nothing he could say or do would either reverse the company's decisions nor salve the poster anger and rudeness being demonstrated.

    5. Developers are neither blind nor stupid. They can understand a reasonably well-stated post, but they may be limited in what they can do to respond to a given complaint or suggestion. They write code and have internal input into Opera's strategies and feature development, but they exist within a universe of other developers each having their own inputs and opinions, and all of them exist within the confines of both corporate strategy and the coding limitations of Opera's chosen major code engines.

  • Excellent comment! Not pleasant for everybody, but reflecting the rules of business....

  • Indeed... an excellent set of observations. Thanks for bringing reason to this discussion, blackbird.

  • This is sad.

    I've been a huge fan of Opera since 2.x or 3.x or so. (I first used it so I could test compatibility of browsers visiting a website I created back when Netscape 2.0 was brand new)

    But last night's Windows XP updates seem to have killed the Opera 12.16 I was running. It repeatedly launched directly into "no longer responding" mode.

    So I uninstalled and installed the latest from the Opera website. Ver 20.x

    I worked with it for an hour, but with the dawning realization that it has been dumbed down to something I can't even relate to. No more "tweakability", 3/4 of the customizing/settings options are simply gone. Name it... all the reasons I used Opera are just absent. No more integrated email client.... no more... well ... looking around... what is left of Opera here? I reinstalled 12.16 but even a clean install is dead... it won't launch.

    So I'm back on Opera 20 and the standalone email client and feeling like I've been abandoned. Opera had it SO right for so many years, now this new interface feels disgusting and tacky and unmanageable, like I've accidentally opened IE or some other pariah browser.

    So sad.

    Disillusioned in Canada

  • You see, Blackbird, how your message goes right over the heads of the cry babies? They simply refuse to accept reality. (sigh)

  • The "reality" of this situation is that the user interface/functionality that for many years created a huge fan-base for this product has been pretty much devastated in the new version. All flaming/name-calling belligerence aside, this new product will not retain its oldest and most loyal fans if too many of the reasons for staying with them are missing.

    "Cry baby"? Flame on. I never cared about useless content like that. If no one comments about the negative aspects of change, then the impression may remain that it is all good, and everyone will be surprised by an unexplained exodus.

    (sigh)

  • Windows XP is going to be abandoned by Microsoft in April, leaving all XP users with the option to upgrade or face a gradual decline of usability on their out-of-date Operating System. It was released in October 2001, so we have had our money's worth.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/en-gb/xp/default.aspx?WT.mc_id=Consumer_View+Website_Mar+2014_None_XPEoS_SEM&WT.srch=1

    I already updated to Windows 7, seeing that it was inevitable.

    Thank you again to Blackbird for bringing some sanity to these forums, but his wisdom will be wasted on many. It is much easier to say, β€œStop whining, it's not going to change,” and leave the cry-babies to deal with it.

  • They simply refuse to accept reality.

    As I've indicated before, I completely agree with you and blackbird71 about the "reality", but I believe that your conclusion is flawed, for two reasons. One, many of the posters whom you're referring to do not accept that you and others who explain this "reality" actually know more about it than they do. For people who know certain things about the world of business and have been around the block a few times, the version of "reality" described by you and blackbird71 seems, if not absolutely incontrovertible, very compelling. But not everyone posting here has those qualifications, and for many if not all of those people, it's not a question of "accepting reality"; rather, it's a question of not having the knowledge and experience to recognize a compelling explanation when they see one. Two, people are driven primarily by emotion and only secondarily by fact/reason, and one of the main reasons people come here is simply to have whatever satisfaction can be gained by expressing their dissatisfaction on an Internet forum. To say that these posters are not "accepting reality" misses the point: they're disappointed,frustrated, and annoyed β€” a reaction that Opera ASA has brought upon themselves by the way they've chosen to handle both the rollout of Opera Blink and the increasingly unhelpful forum experience β€” and they want to express that, regardless of whether it actually has any effect on the development path of the Opera Blink browser. That is a "reality" that you have not apparently yet accepted.

  • You see, Blackbird, how your message goes right over the heads of the cry babies? They simply refuse to accept reality. (sigh)

    Since the reality--which is that Opera is basically dead--is quite bitter, it is pretty much expectable that some folks still refuse to accept it. And it's not much to blame or judge for if you ask me.

  • They simply refuse to accept reality.

    As I've indicated before, I completely agree with you and blackbird71 about the "reality", but I believe that your conclusion is flawed, for two reasons. One, many of the posters whom you're referring to do not accept that you and others who explain this "reality" actually know more about it than they do. ... Two, people are driven primarily by emotion and only secondarily by fact/reason, and one of the main reasons people come here is simply to have whatever satisfaction can be gained by expressing their dissatisfaction on an Internet forum. ...

    Your observations have much validity. But why I sometimes try patiently, and at such length in posts of this kind, is for the very reason of explaining the "why" of things, so that others might better understand "reality". If nobody explains it occasionally, how are they to learn? At least this way, they will have had the facts and explanations laid before them. Whether they then get their "emotions" under control and accept the current reality (unpleasant though it might be) is up to them, of course. But not accepting and dealing constructively with reality is a sure path to discontent and unhappiness.

    As I've posted before, I'm not happy with certain aspects of the Blink Opera releases to date, though I know others who are. But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the developers and to Opera, in terms of waiting to see what features and configurability improvements ultimately emerge. I've used Opera for many years, at little or no cost to me... Opera's Presto browsers were often superb - though not always, and not without some real turmoil along the way. Given all that, I feel I owe Opera some patience to see where they eventually take their Blink implementation. Perhaps they'll finally "get there" for what I personally need in a browser; perhaps not. But life will still go on. If the browser doesn't evolve in "my" direction, there are always other browsers.

  • You see, Blackbird, how your message goes right over the heads of the cry babies? They simply refuse to accept reality. (sigh)

    What I see is someone who incessantly cries about people they label cry babies.

    Blackbirds post seems to have gone over your head as well because I (once again) fail to see how your rhetoric assists someone who is having difficulty upgrading now that their xp install is giving them problems.

    (sigh)

  • For what it's worth, Opera 12.16 is still working fine here on Windows XP with all the latest updates, and long may Opera 12.16 (and Windows XP) both continue to do so!
    πŸ™‚

  • I cant speak for others but for me I took the time to post my questions and concerns to show my support and appreciation for what opera was and what I hope the new version may become I fail to see why people are interpreted as cry babies or failing to control their emotions for pointing out the facts as they see them facts are facts not emotions. Furthermore the idea behind opera (to me) was transparency that is it was designed to be fast and simple as well as customizable rather than media rich and controlling like other modern software that uses the model of deciding what is best for endusers by giving them little choice.It seems that that many corporations rarely pursue this concept of being open and direct while some prosper of the fact that people want to support their integrity. If one were to make an observation about blackbirds post he mite view it as rather emotional and controversial (no offence blackbird) though I am not offended by it.I currently use opera 20 in hopes it will turn out to be a good and I would like to support its development and this includes being able to advise friends and others that opera is a good reliable browser to use.

  • explaining the "why" of things, so that others might better understand "reality". If nobody explains it occasionally, how are they to learn?

    Agreed. And you've done that well, which I'm sure has benefitted not only many who've posted here (and on the previous forum) but many who've only viewed, as well.

  • How to make a great browser turn into a pile of crap for a few users.

    I want a complese menu of settings, i cant log into gmail or google anymore
    i want the menu bar back, i dont like short cut , im not a technician im a user who like menus

    great job sabotaging opera browser....

    well. never before firefox looked soo good.

  • I have no problem logging into gmail or into Google. Not sure what your problem is but it isn't Opera 20. I guess if you must have a menu and you must have it now, then Firefox is a good alternative. Bye.

  • Seems like they are listening to their customer as much as Steam/EA/Codemasters. This is shite. More of my rantings can be read here https://forums.opera.com/discussion/1831985/yes-once-again#Item_4

    Total waste of time talking now to the devs, we are stuck with this shite. Looks like the money will be rolling in from now on for the Opera team. LOL.

  • Used Opera since the shareware days. The new Opera is a disgrace, all members who made the decision to go down that path should be sacked. Then return development of old Opera.

  • I have no problem logging into gmail or into Google. Not sure what your problem is but it isn't Opera 20. I guess if you must have a menu and you must have it now, then Firefox is a good alternative. Bye.

    Your business acumen is on display again I see

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