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From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind

  • but people who used to work on Presto are now working on Blink,

    Maybe someone is still there but as far as I recall they announced that most of the staff that used to be developing Presto is released or something like that.

  • This may be petty but I refuse to let it go that pesala thinks the title of this thread is sarcastic.

    The title is: "From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind". Please notice the word "back". You may not be reading the 11 word title sufficiently. Either that, or you may not be working with a correct definition of sarcasm. I know you don't like 700 word posts but 11 words...

    And leushino, thank you for the advice on continuing to use 12. I am doing exactly that. In fact, the only tab I use in 20 is for this forum. I just /love/ how fast and secure it manages Forums.Opera.com.

  • come on opera, give us paid version that has all the old features. those "old" features are ahead of many other browsers

  • but people who used to work on Presto are now working on Blink,

    Maybe someone is still there but as far as I recall they announced that most of the staff that used to be developing Presto is released or something like that.

    They who?

  • They who?

    Opera team, who else?

  • I agree with the TE, because i miss the side-panel, the favs and i used Opera for a long time, because i could check my Mails without having a separate Program and the new Stash is totally useless, because i have hundreds of Links ...

    If this is the future for Opera i will switch back to another Browser ...

    For all the Fans of the old Opera please think about to undo those changes or make an Plugin-System in the new Opera, so all could download the Side-Panel, the Mail-Client, the "Old-Style-Favs" and all other stuff, that makes Opera the great Browser it was before ...

    Regards

  • For all the Fans of the old Opera please think about to undo those changes or make an Plugin-System in the new Opera, so all could download the Side-Panel, the Mail-Client, the "Old-Style-Favs" and all other stuff, that makes Opera the great Browser it was before ...

    This is awful concept without PROPER integration in UI.
    You can do all of these in Chrome or in its clones.

  • @awzx

    but people who used to work on Presto are now working on Blink,
    Maybe someone is still there but as far as I recall they announced that most of the staff that used to be developing Presto is released or something like that.
    No, that was not the case. There were some false rumors being spread though various forums and tech sites, but that's always going to happen when people don't bother to fact-check.

    IIRC, about 90 people left in total, but only half (or less) of those were engineers (QA and developers). There were several hundred engineers at Opera at the time.

  • Opera team, who else?

    I'm sure they never said such thing.

  • There were some false rumors being spread though various forums and tech sites, but that's always going to happen when people don't bother to fact-check.

    Opera team, who else?

    I'm sure they never said such thing.

    Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, it's been quite some time now since I heard that, I may be confusing something. Nevertheless, this "rumor" appears to be pretty much plausible to me at the given moment, taking into account the current state of Opera-desktop and how slowly it is being developed/evolved, and finally seeing how different new Opera-Blink and old Opera-Presto are. Yep, sounds true enough to me.

  • I'm sure they never said such thing.

    Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, it's been quite some time now since I heard that, I may be confusing something. Nevertheless, this "rumor" appears to be pretty much plausible to me at the given moment, taking into account the current state of Opera-desktop and how slowly it is being developed/evolved, and finally seeing how different new Opera-Blink and old Opera-Presto are. Yep, sounds true enough to me.

    Of course, anyone is free to believe whatever they want. Some folks still believe the earth is flat, because it sounds true enough to them. But I think @haavard would have a much better grasp of the reality of the Opera staffing situation than most of the rest of us.

    In any case, the real point is that whether the Presto developers have left Opera or been reassigned to Blink, the development pace of coding around a completely new (to them) engine set, with all the new (to them) constraints that will necessarily involve, is not nearly the same thing as working with a familiar engine set whose coding you've already developed yourself, line by line, over a dozen or more years. The learning curve will be outrageously steep for some time... and that is at least a major part of what we're seeing.

    Beyond that, no two engine sets will offer the same ease of access/interface/control in many areas... that's part of why they're different. One set may force either inherent limitations in what can be done, or else require numbing complexity to accomplish something that might have been easy with a different engine set. The decision to make major, abrupt replacement of a browser's engines is akin to jumping off a cliff with a parachute... the chute will probably open, but you'll drop quite a ways before it safely does. That's why it's not a decision to be taken lightly - and, for better or worse, I don't believe it was.

  • @blackbird71
    By the same token, if it suits you you're more than welcome to keep believing in everything that guys from Opera say and promise, and in that they are just still getting the hang of Blink, etc, etc...
    And, of course, good luck with that 🙂

  • Among other things, the fact that the range of Opera Blink's keyboard shortcuts is so limited---e.g., no keyboard shortcuts for Speed Dial items(!)---and that keyboard shortcuts are not customizable suggests to me that Opera has very little interest in the Desktop user. Might as well use IE.

  • If Opera (and perhaps Microsoft as well?) are looking at the desktop through a dominating lens of the current mobile/handheld device trend, then their choices and decisions might seem more understandable - though not necessarily more palatable to traditional desktop users. (eg: With handhelds, keyboards are secondary functional elements, with desktops they are essential - particularly for many technical apps).

    For a variety of critical usage categories, desktops and handhelds are entirely different systems with very different optimization needs... but in a culture increasingly carried away by trends and fads, the necessary differences are not always grasped nor supported. Only time will tell if more desktop-focused features are returned to Opera.

  • Why can't we have a plug in or add on or something to give us back the side panel so I can access my 4,000 bookmarks on Opera or Chrome?

  • @colej2000

    He's well known for being abusive towards anyone who criticises Opera whether warrants or not

    If you mean me, I am well-known for being critical of the potty-mouthed losers and whiners who troll these forums, and who cannot make any constructive criticism without profanity, shouting, or ranting.
    Polite users who need some help getting to grips with changes new versions will always get at least some help from me, even if it's just a link to a previous thread, or advice to search first for previous answers before posting.

    See what I mean, no one can say I wasn't 100% correct about him. You should all be asking yourselves how he can keep getting away with being obtuse to people here 😉

  • @colej2000

    See what I mean

    You are obviously completely clueless — you are 100% wrong about me.

    First you lie that I am abusive to anyone who criticises Opera — I am not. I criticise people who use foul language, who rant, and whine. Constructive criticism is welcome — it helps to fix problems and improve Opera. However, profanity, SHOUTING, and abuse of the developers or other users is not welcome here. It muddies the waters when users come here looking for help.

    Obtuseness is the last thing I can be accused of. I might be accused of being too blunt.

  • I also just switched from 12 to 20 and am very disappointed, too! There are too many customisation possibilities missing.
    Immediately after starting my first session I realized two great functionalities just disappeared. And I hardly think they are extremely hard to implement again.
    First, I may be blind, but the very useful bin on the right upper corner is missing. Second, Opera 12 was able to block 100% of any pop-ups. Now I have to deal with pop-up ads again, even when the pop-up blocker is switched on! I could go on criticising for hours...
    I have to agree to another thread OLD IS GOLD in that case. All of the functionalities from 12 should be implemented in 20. With this version 20 you can just switch to Firefox or Chrome and be done with it...

    its getting better. you should compare the differences from 15 to 20. it'll be even better at 30. give it time:)

  • [mod edit: it's enough. Give those private discussions a rest please]

  • [mod edit: it's enough. Give those private discussions a rest please]

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