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From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind

  • You're not going to get back your old Opera so here's a thought: since it was never taken away... USE IT! The last time I checked, Opera 12.16 was still usable or are you incapable of using the older version as well? Security patches are still being applied (as far as I know) so it's perfectly safe to use it. And here's another piece of information for you: install Opera 20 alongside the older version so that you can keep an eye on its development.

  • @colej2000

    He's well known for being abusive towards anyone who criticises Opera whether warrants or not

    If you mean me, I am well-known for being critical of the potty-mouthed losers and whiners who troll these forums, and who cannot make any constructive criticism without profanity, shouting, or ranting.

    Polite users who need some help getting to grips with changes new versions will always get at least some help from me, even if it's just a link to a previous thread, or advice to search first for previous answers before posting.

  • How to disable server certificate validation?

  • yes, I can.

    @withme: No you can't!
    I deleted your insult. Watch your tone or you'll get banned!
    I won't tolerate this.

  • Now here's a fact for you: Opera Presto is dead. The team that developed it is largely gone or been re-assigned.
    Just to clarify: It's still the same team. Of course, people will join and leave over time, but people who used to work on Presto are now working on Blink, and some even on low-end stuff on desktop or mobile.

  • but people who used to work on Presto are now working on Blink,

    Maybe someone is still there but as far as I recall they announced that most of the staff that used to be developing Presto is released or something like that.

  • This may be petty but I refuse to let it go that pesala thinks the title of this thread is sarcastic.

    The title is: "From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind". Please notice the word "back". You may not be reading the 11 word title sufficiently. Either that, or you may not be working with a correct definition of sarcasm. I know you don't like 700 word posts but 11 words...

    And leushino, thank you for the advice on continuing to use 12. I am doing exactly that. In fact, the only tab I use in 20 is for this forum. I just /love/ how fast and secure it manages Forums.Opera.com.

  • come on opera, give us paid version that has all the old features. those "old" features are ahead of many other browsers

  • but people who used to work on Presto are now working on Blink,

    Maybe someone is still there but as far as I recall they announced that most of the staff that used to be developing Presto is released or something like that.

    They who?

  • They who?

    Opera team, who else?

  • I agree with the TE, because i miss the side-panel, the favs and i used Opera for a long time, because i could check my Mails without having a separate Program and the new Stash is totally useless, because i have hundreds of Links ...

    If this is the future for Opera i will switch back to another Browser ...

    For all the Fans of the old Opera please think about to undo those changes or make an Plugin-System in the new Opera, so all could download the Side-Panel, the Mail-Client, the "Old-Style-Favs" and all other stuff, that makes Opera the great Browser it was before ...

    Regards

  • For all the Fans of the old Opera please think about to undo those changes or make an Plugin-System in the new Opera, so all could download the Side-Panel, the Mail-Client, the "Old-Style-Favs" and all other stuff, that makes Opera the great Browser it was before ...

    This is awful concept without PROPER integration in UI.
    You can do all of these in Chrome or in its clones.

  • @awzx

    but people who used to work on Presto are now working on Blink,
    Maybe someone is still there but as far as I recall they announced that most of the staff that used to be developing Presto is released or something like that.
    No, that was not the case. There were some false rumors being spread though various forums and tech sites, but that's always going to happen when people don't bother to fact-check.

    IIRC, about 90 people left in total, but only half (or less) of those were engineers (QA and developers). There were several hundred engineers at Opera at the time.

  • Opera team, who else?

    I'm sure they never said such thing.

  • There were some false rumors being spread though various forums and tech sites, but that's always going to happen when people don't bother to fact-check.

    Opera team, who else?

    I'm sure they never said such thing.

    Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, it's been quite some time now since I heard that, I may be confusing something. Nevertheless, this "rumor" appears to be pretty much plausible to me at the given moment, taking into account the current state of Opera-desktop and how slowly it is being developed/evolved, and finally seeing how different new Opera-Blink and old Opera-Presto are. Yep, sounds true enough to me.

  • I'm sure they never said such thing.

    Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, it's been quite some time now since I heard that, I may be confusing something. Nevertheless, this "rumor" appears to be pretty much plausible to me at the given moment, taking into account the current state of Opera-desktop and how slowly it is being developed/evolved, and finally seeing how different new Opera-Blink and old Opera-Presto are. Yep, sounds true enough to me.

    Of course, anyone is free to believe whatever they want. Some folks still believe the earth is flat, because it sounds true enough to them. But I think @haavard would have a much better grasp of the reality of the Opera staffing situation than most of the rest of us.

    In any case, the real point is that whether the Presto developers have left Opera or been reassigned to Blink, the development pace of coding around a completely new (to them) engine set, with all the new (to them) constraints that will necessarily involve, is not nearly the same thing as working with a familiar engine set whose coding you've already developed yourself, line by line, over a dozen or more years. The learning curve will be outrageously steep for some time... and that is at least a major part of what we're seeing.

    Beyond that, no two engine sets will offer the same ease of access/interface/control in many areas... that's part of why they're different. One set may force either inherent limitations in what can be done, or else require numbing complexity to accomplish something that might have been easy with a different engine set. The decision to make major, abrupt replacement of a browser's engines is akin to jumping off a cliff with a parachute... the chute will probably open, but you'll drop quite a ways before it safely does. That's why it's not a decision to be taken lightly - and, for better or worse, I don't believe it was.

  • @blackbird71
    By the same token, if it suits you you're more than welcome to keep believing in everything that guys from Opera say and promise, and in that they are just still getting the hang of Blink, etc, etc...
    And, of course, good luck with that 🙂

  • Among other things, the fact that the range of Opera Blink's keyboard shortcuts is so limited---e.g., no keyboard shortcuts for Speed Dial items(!)---and that keyboard shortcuts are not customizable suggests to me that Opera has very little interest in the Desktop user. Might as well use IE.

  • If Opera (and perhaps Microsoft as well?) are looking at the desktop through a dominating lens of the current mobile/handheld device trend, then their choices and decisions might seem more understandable - though not necessarily more palatable to traditional desktop users. (eg: With handhelds, keyboards are secondary functional elements, with desktops they are essential - particularly for many technical apps).

    For a variety of critical usage categories, desktops and handhelds are entirely different systems with very different optimization needs... but in a culture increasingly carried away by trends and fads, the necessary differences are not always grasped nor supported. Only time will tell if more desktop-focused features are returned to Opera.

  • Why can't we have a plug in or add on or something to give us back the side panel so I can access my 4,000 bookmarks on Opera or Chrome?

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