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From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind

  • I am using Opera web and mobile browser since 2004, yeah pretty 10 years from now. This is one of the best browser internet today have. On a readers survey on my career and jobs news website Employment News , 90% mobile phone users and 60% smartphone users has Opera as their primary web browser.

    I am happy to see innovations happened in Opera community these days.

  • Hi
    thanks for Opera company
    i use opera from ver 4
    i have all email archive in opera mail
    i have more than 1000 rss feed reader in opera
    i have history from 10 years ago
    i have more more good times with opera 12
    why you dont support opera 12
    opera 12 not a browser its my "net Home"
    please again Support opera 12
    opera 20 very very bad idea.

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  • Hi
    thanks for Opera company
    i use opera from ver 4
    i have all email archive in opera mail
    i have more than 1000 rss feed reader in opera
    i have history from 10 years ago
    i have more more good times with opera 12
    why you dont support opera 12
    opera 12 not a browser its my "net Home"
    please again Support opera 12
    opera 20 very very bad idea.

    They won't support, deal with it.

  • i have both the new opera and opera 12.00

    out of the 2 i prefer opera 12.00. this is due to the fact that so much of it i can change to my own customizations. yes it is now becoming laggy, behind the times. but cause it has so many of my own customizations which help and i cannot seem to work out how to do it on the new opera's...

    if anyone here plays the game Tribal Wars then you will know that opera 12.00 is as far the best browser there is for the game.

    however like this game and many over organizations they are moving away from the older browsers to newer ones, which are pushing there players to stop playing.

    what we want is the Opera Team to see that they need to add the old settings back into the new browsers.

  • I am sick and tired of the rude "shut up and stick to Opera 12.x or go find another browser"-comments.
    Yes, we have understood that you find Opera 2x.x the greatest achievement in browser history.
    The low market share Opera was suffering was not due to being to "geeky" or having too many features.
    In fact, Opera has always been technology leader and many, many features were copied by other browsers, starting with the MDI.
    Operas low market share was due to lousy public relations work. Netscape died and was reborn as publicly very well received, slim (now not so slim any more) Firefox.
    IE is pre-installed on every Windows system, so first choice for every non tech affiliate user.
    Opera was first choice primarily for people using the internet for work, thus benefiting from an efficient interface.

    Opera 20+ is merely a Chrome-clone with built in mouse gestures (at least that).
    The question is, who cares for that? Who would switch from Chrome? Hard core Firefox users as well as ignorant IE users would not switch anyway.

    So - no new users to gain from Firefox, IE or Chrome userbase. Alienating and chasing away former Opera users.
    Who is left?

    Secondly, ChrOpera has been out for over a year now and they haven't even managed to implement a working bookmark administration or an interface to their own Opera link to at least make it possible for Opera 12.x users to update.
    This is just ridiculous.
    The last update logs read merely like engine updates. What are the Opera developers working on? The engine is being maintained by Google. Just recompile with the latest engine is hardly an improvement.

    Why is it that open source projects manage to implement a lot more classic Opera features and still use fast, modern engines such as Webkit than Opera itself?
    After one year, which in software business is a long time, how much has the market share of Opera improved? Depending on the source there has been marginal improvement or a drastic drop.

  • I don't understand why few people here are defending devs, are they paid for this? Opera made WRONG decisions, by stripping down everything, that's a fact.
    Tell me what do you find so innovative in new Opera to say it's better than chrome or firefox? Even Maxthon is more customizable now.

    Devs should LISTEN to what users want, and attitude like "they won't bring it back, so deal with it" is just rude.
    Do you expect people will stop complaining? Contrary it stirs even more complaints, and those who just can't stand that attitude anymore will just abandon it in the end.

  • Slightly late to this party, but my two cents, for what they are worth...

    I will continue to use Opera 12 until such time as there is another browser that has a comprehensive feature set that covers most of the features that I use – whether that's Opera or another browser – or until such time as it is so far behind the curve that it is unusable on too many websites.

    The whole reason I have been using Opera for more than 12 years is because of those features. Without them, there is no reason whatsoever to choose Opera over any other browser. Its features were what made it the best browser, and it's a shame that they never had the marketing budget or strategy to make it more popular. I don't understand why some people say it was "too complicated" – for people who just wanted a basic browser, it did everything that other browsers did just as easily, but the difference was that there was more there if you went looking for it.

    It's now been nearly 18 months since the public beta of Opera 15 was launched, and we are now up to v24, but each of those 9 new versions seems to have done little more than add a single feature at a time. At the rate, we'll be up to Opera 50 at least before the feature list is restored to a level that will satisfy those of us who got the most out of Opera before. But is it going to happen? I would be a lot more accepting of the changes, and a lot more patient, if I could see some definitive statement from Opera ASA to the effect that they are working to reinstate those features from Opera 12, and to give a rough timescale of when each one might make it back into the browser. At the moment, it feels like those of us who were the biggest advocates and evangelists for Opera before have just been discarded with no consideration given to the fact that there are no alternatives available that do what we want, and we have to be content with whatever crumbs are deigned to be thrown our way.

    I get that Opera ASA is a business, I understand that. But a business is nothing without its customers. And if you alienate your entire existing userbase by removing your USP, and instead enter an already crowded marketplace with competitors who are bigger and louder than you are ... well, I'm not so sure that's a great business decision.

  • Is it so? No bookmarks, no notes, no customizable interface, no email client incorporated? After so many years of improvements Opera developers thought about a downgrade?! I was in expectation from 20 to 25 versions and I hoped that is about a joke. Until this evening. I seriously searched an alternative for the browser I used more than 13 years. And I found it. It's name is SeaMonkey and has all those features Opera lost (from 12.17) and much more. From now on, SeaMonkey is my default browser. Good adio bye, Opera!

  • After the los of the TTS voice function ......
    I'm even missing more over the (Sent to Notes) context menu function.

    No replacement which does the job for me & now its already Chrome Opera v28 Dev.

    Always got to go back to my good functioning Opera 11.64 to check on my notes & to do the reading out for me.

    Hundreds of Note/Notes extensions in the system & not one single one which works simple and convenient like the good old Opera version ........>>> NOT ONE!

    Well Opera is gone anyway; its all Google monopolized Browsers ....... Nothing to do with Opera anymore.
    Played around with the new version for months now.

    All Google 99.999% the only thing left of Opera is the name Opera which they must sold to them; that's just about it.

    What I did now is that I created a simple .vbs script which activates my Opera 11.64 & reads me out any selected text from anywhere; even from all the New Opera versions.
    Because Opera TTS is able to read from clipboard.

    So whatever ends up in the clipboard Opera 11.64 reads out for me.

    Not perfect yet but it works!

    This is what I placed into a file with the name Speak.vbs & linked a to it to get a button icon on the tool-bar to make it happen.....

    So all I do now is select a text anywhere & click the button on the toolbar. Opera pops up for a second & reads the text from the clipboard!

    Code within the Speak.vbs

    Option Explicit
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim speak
    set speak = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
    speak.SendKeys "%{esc}" 'jumps back to last active page
    speak.SendKeys "^c" 'jumping back to copy selected text
    speak.Run "C:\PROGRA~2\OPERA-~2\opera.exe", 0, true
    WScript.Sleep 600
    speak.SendKeys "{esc}" 'deselect text
    WScript.Sleep 200
    speak.SendKeys "v" 'opera starts speak
    speak.SendKeys "^%s" 'opera starts speak
    WScript.Sleep 200
    speak.SendKeys "^w"
    WScript.Sleep 200
    wscript.sleep 200 ' Wait a little (may be optional)...
    speak.sendkeys "% " ' Open the system menu and minimize the window...
    speak.sendkeys "n"
    speak.sendkeys "%{esc}"
    speak.sendkeys "{right}"
    set speak = nothing

    And this code into a Stop-Speak.vbs file

    Option Explicit
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim speak
    set speak = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
    Return = speak.Run("C:\PROGRA~2\OPERA-~2\opera.exe ", 0, true)
    WScript.Sleep 300
    speak.SendKeys "^w"
    speak.SendKeys "{esc}" 'jumps back to last active page
    speak.SendKeys "{esc}" 'jumps back to last active page
    wscript.sleep 250 ' Wait a little bit (may be optional)...
    speak.sendkeys "% " ' Open the system menu and minimize the window...
    speak.sendkeys "n"
    WScript.Sleep 300
    speak.SendKeys "%{esc}" 'jumps back to last active page
    set speak = nothing

  • I got some miner general tips in the link below; also covers some of the Opera issues.

    Only just changed to Opera 29 ....... I mean Google Developer version 29.

    Finally I found something for Chrome to open ( .exe ) file extension without having the SaveAs popping up.

    Go Here:

  • To @ender-go

    You better run your upgrade on your Opera 20 >>>>>> its already Opera 26 Stable.

    And the Opera Developer version 28 is able to read out loud off-line by using the Windows original Native Microsoft Anna voice.

    Just tried it & it works; but only works on the Developers version 28.

    But there are other speak TTS tools but they all working from on-line ...... NO, no .... all on-line not for me!

    Downloading and they are uploading is not for me & never will be ....... that's why I never ended up with Google since conception.

    Because 1 + 1 = 2

    The extension which speaks out text is called:

    Speakit! and Speak?hl=en

  • Lets face it & be honest about it ....... all new so called Opera products is not Opera anymore.

    No illusions required!

    Opera has sold out & died.

    Its simple really.......

    All they can do is; to create the needed extensions too accommodate the followers hopes.

    If they failing the name Opera will also turn into one more historical down side.
    So its in there operators and designers hands & it appears that anything can be done with this new extension system introduced idea.

    So give them a bit of time & all will see the direction it takes. (Will the direction arrow point up or down?)
    We all will see..........

    Hope has not to much function in the world run generally by hopelessness, control mania & money making issues ......
    It requires will, effort a clear minded direction & a lot of work which will show reality facts in the end.

    So lets wait & see; there is only the up or down reality which can be expected.

    Who will win the game ..... the up or down?



    Here is the Man in control ...... and the word used is; works AT Opera & is not working FOR Opera!

    The Man on the Helm >>>> Ruarí Ødegaard

    Working AT Opera since January 2009.
    Currently I am team lead for our Linux desktop browser.

    I like the image on the page .....


  • I just played around with the new Bookmarks setup on Opera Developers v28.

    Very nice setup I must say; you can even create some sort of hidden from view Folder with links within by using this Extension button on top of the default setup >>

    Classic Context Menus

    If you write any Folder name & place this in front < & this in the back > of any folder name:


    My Folder = This will show the name in the (Classic Context Menus) listing normally.

    If you write the folder name with an arrow on front and on the back like this <My Folder> it will hide the name from the listing & only the icon shows & if you hover over the icon long enough it will show the Folder name.

    It looks like a blank but it is not.

    Then I found a folder name section within the Bookmarks data file called "speedDial".
    Any bookmark added under this Folder name will not show anywhere in the default bookmarks folder listing.

    So any entry under this speedDial folder will only be accessible from the Classic Context Menu button.


    One more thing ...... if I look at the Bookmarks setup; this is exactly what is needed for the Send to Notes to recreate the original Opera function.

    All it needs some small tweaks I think; so you can send some short snipped Notes to it & past from notes via the context menu item access.

    Theoretically the Bookmarks & Send to Notes could be combined within the Bookmarks data system setup.

    All it would need is the context menu buttons & its own folder name within the Bookmarks data file structure setup.

    Same thing sub-folders can be created as you can create them for bookmarks.

    When I talk Notes; I mean short Names, addresses, Email addresses, links, names & short text messages which can be copied to Notes & paste back from Notes via context menu button & all gets stored within the the Bookmarks data file under its own Folder & Sub-folders. Even if things are deleted from Notes it can go to the Trash first before final deleting.

    As it was before.

    I'm sure this could be integrated within the Bookmarks setup without changing much at all.

    Lets hope someone in the design department will have a short look at this option just for fun............

    I wished I had more knowledge about this extension creation & Java scripting.

    I'm sure I would come up with something feasible & practice to get the Send to Notes working again by using the basic bookmarks setup & the Note data gets stored within the Bookmarks data file.