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Frustrated! upgraded from v12. to v30; Bookmark problems, finding tools, etc ---a royal PITA---

  • If you use the Bookmarks section of the Opera menu you can drill down into nested folders without clicking, just like in the old Windows start menu. The bookmarks manager is ideal for doing just that, managing bookmarks. If you want to access bookmarks you are better off doing it via the menu or by using an extension in the sidebar. I recommend V7 bookmarks.

    I understand that you don't like the changes but you can't expect everything to be the same when you are using a completely different program. While its not ideal its better than it was. Opera 15 didn't even have a bookmarking system and it took them several releases to implement it. Its also better than the alternative. If Opera hadn't switched to the new renderer its entirely likely they simply would have discontinued work on a browser completely as it is no longer the core of their business (and hasn't been for years). Of the major browsers out there Opera has by far the smallest development team and you have to temper your expectations accordingly.

  • Thank you, lando, as always, for your clarifications. Perhaps the difficulty comes in at the basic level of the terminology of "upgrading."

    People expect an upgrade to be an improvement. In one respect, current Opera is an improvement over v. 12, because, as I say, it simply works right on Websites where v. 12 no longer functions properly if at all. In terms of other features and functions, though, it is in many cases not only different but reduced rather than improved. If people upgrade expecting something new and improved (not an unreasonable expectation), they are going to be disappointed. One might also point out that the upgrade messages that appear in earlier versions of Opera do not, to the best of my recollection, say that this is "a completely different program"; we only find that out when we get here.

    And of course, Opera's home page, marketing its browser products, does not mention that current versions of those products do not do some things that they used to do. Hopefully new users will be attracted to Opera. But neither Opera nor its fans and supporters (in which group I include myself) should expect longtime users to be pleased with an "upgrade" experience that is, in some respects, a downgrade (sessions, tab stacking), and in other respects a quite different program (as you say), but without appreciable benefits in the differences. In all honesty, one should probably speak of current Opera (Opera Blink, Chromium-based Opera, whatever one calls it) as a revision rather than an upgrade. It is a move sideways rather than upwards in terms of functionality, more a matter of tradeoffs than improvements.

  • werewolf may be overreacting a tad; and lando, I've appreciated all the help you've offered me as I made my way in the new Opera. But the bookmarking system is a serious learning curve when coming straight from Opera 12, and I haven't seen anybody even try to argue that it's better, only that it can be figured out (and made to function in something like a more familiar manner, as bbildman has done), and that there really isn't a choice, except to get an extension. It may or may not be a huge deal, depending on how one is used to working and how much time one has to spare to learn and/or customize an entirely new system. But it is a problem when upgrading, and the new system is hardly a functional improvement, unless of course one only has 20 or 30 bookmarks.

    unless you have them nested into a bunch of folders, you should only be a click or two away from any bookmark.

    And if you do have 50 or more bookmarks (or 500 or 1,000), then very likely you have nested them for the sake of organization and convenience, so that the new system adds a couple of new levels to get to them.

    I just counted my bookmarks (by uploading them to Linkagogo) and I have accumulated well over 4,000 over the years and they are in folders and subfolders and subsubfolders, so bookmark access is important to me. The old Opera with the bookmark panel on the left that could be disappeared and reappeared by clicking on the left margin was my all time favorite, but right now I've got Firefox - I think I had to add FF Classic or something to get it - that still has a good bookmark panel, and failing that Maxthon has a halfway decent one (maybe even better if I learned more about it), and even Chrome has a bookmark drop down that I can at least comprehend if not like. So I see no reason to try to figure out how to do something with this new and unimproved Opera. I'll keep it, but only to use it for certain sites that I can plug into its bookmark bar, like alternate email with a different sign on, just very limited usage. Thanks for trying to help out anyway, guys.

    IMO the only reason to move to current Opera from v. 12 is that it actually works on current Websites, as v. 12 no longer does in many cases. I don't see a reason to upgrade for the sake of functionality, other than the one function that everyone wants a browser to perform: display Websites properly and securely.

  • bookmark panel on the left

    Like I said above, look into V7 bookmarks. It adds bookmarks to the Extensions sidebar in Opera. Its very good. While Opera has not yet added the ability to show/hide the sidebar with a single click it is on the agenda from what I understand.

  • i got frustrated from all the new versions after 12. i was hoping for an opera experience, except chromium under the hood. i finally had to leave opera a while back and now use chrome exclusively...haven't looked back.

    i find it hilarious that after all this time bookmarks was never fixed. way to listen to your users, opera. had something good on your hands and messed it up

  • Seems to me that those whining users who have "left" Opera for other browsers but return here to continue adding their displeasure at the browser's features or lack thereof, are doing little more than trolling. Genevalgene, we're all delighted you love Chrome and have not "looked back." Uh... seems to me you're still looking back. :troll:

  • those users who have "left" Opera for other browsers but return here

    Are you talking about yourself ?

    YOU are the big troll here.

  • Look. The forums exist to assist people in using their Opera browsers. What part of that intention do you not understand? People who come here to brag about how great other browsers are and state that they will never return to Opera are not asking for assistance but in fact are trolling. Evidently this simple fact seems to be beyond your grasp.

    Opera v.33 is a superb browser. Learn to use it properly. Find the extensions that will allow you to customize it to do the things you want. If you fail to understand how to use it, ask questions and you will be helped. But be respectful.

  • those users who have "left" Opera for other browsers but return here

    Are you talking about yourself ?
    YOU are the big troll here.

    That thread containing @canadagoose4ever's comment was moved early-on into the Lounge forum, where topics are less - uhmm - 'inhibited'. This present forum is an English-language forum for Opera users to help other Windows Opera users, answer their questions, or make suggestions to solve their problems - even for 'frustrated' posters. Now, there are some things with which I and others have had major design disagreements with Opera, and where those criticisms are useful or constructive, they have a relevant place even in certain threads in such a forum as this one. But one's general object should always be to either raise a request for help or information, or to supply help and provide helpful information.

    Having left Opera's browser and returning to Opera's own helps forums simply to post old thrashed-out complaints or tout other browsers is frankly out of place and rude, at best. I can't see how one can view it any other way. It's only a free browser, not an unfaithful spouse. If you don't like Opera, find and use another browser - there are lots of them out there. And then get constructively involved in their helps forums. Put more in than you take out. Contribute more and complain less.

  • I just found out that bookmarks can't be exported to html and the only extension that does it can't handle nested bookmarks. Thats really bad considering Chromium has it, I don't know why Opera put in the extra effort to rip it out.

  • Opera only brought over the renderer from Chromium, not the interface. Also, as far as I know V7 Bookmarks supports exporting nested bookmarks to HTML.

  • Opera only brought over the renderer from Chromium, not the interface. Also, as far as I know V7 Bookmarks supports exporting nested bookmarks to HTML.

    That doesn't make sense at all since it would be alot easier to customize Chromium to add Opera features like the speedial/tab thing/sync button, and Opera looks to be that way. The bookmarks file format is the same as Chrome's so I'm quite sure Opera could've used Chromium's export to html functionality if they wanted to. I could write a script to do it manually but its another hassle.

  • Or you could just use V7 bookmarks, which is a nice little extension and does more than just export bookmarks.

  • I'm back, the original poster. And I still cannot get my bookmarks. I did it ok on Chrome a while back, and I don't remember how I did that.

    Anyway, When I click Opera in the upper left corner, I get a drop down list, the 4th entry is Bookkmarks with an arrow to the right, and the 10th entry is also Bookmarks with a 'heart' sign on the left. Why two bookmark entries??

    The 1st Bookmark entry arrow to the right brings me 5 drop down lists to find the BM I'm looking for. But I have to read thru multiple entries on each list to navigate to the next one.

    The 2nd bookmark entry, when clicked, opens a new page tab with the bookmarks as a new page(why?), and a multi list to the right of the 'Star' icon on the side panel. Multiple clicks later, I now can find the bookmark I'm looking for. Also, clicking the 'star' icon opens a blank space in the side panel. Right click on star brings up V7 options, etc.

    I originally exported my bookmarks from V12 as HTML and then imported them to V30, so I have all the old BM's, but cannot access them conveniently. I cannot do a right click, for example, to do a copy paste of 'sorted bookmarks' up on to the bookmarks bar. It would be so nice it they were just ONE CLICK A WAY!!!.

    Please tell me the simple solution to get one click to the bookmarks. And please, no silly keyboard multiple key presses as that is so old Passe DOS. I have a mouse that does things for me, and my left brain is already filled up with useless key clicks from 40 years of programming.

  • Why two bookmark entries??

    Because one is inside a submenu (which can also be used to enable the bookmarks bar and view all bookmarks) and the other is in the main menu. Same deal in Windows. There is more than one way to get where you are going.

    The 2nd bookmark entry, when clicked, opens a new page tab with the bookmarks as a new page(why?),

    Because its the bookmarks manager.

    clicking the 'star' icon opens a blank space in the side panel.

    It should show a list of all your bookmarks in the My Folders area of your bookamrks.

    It would be so nice it they were just ONE CLICK A WAY!!!

    As with Windows you don't have to click to get the bookmarks inside the Opera menu to open. Just hover your mouse over a folder for a second and it will expand. You can do the same with the bookmarks bad if you enable it.

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  • @pdw

    The 2nd bookmark entry, when clicked, opens a new page tab with the bookmarks as a new page(why?), and a multi list to the right of the 'Star' icon on the side panel. Multiple clicks later, I now can find the bookmark I'm looking for. Also, clicking the 'star' icon opens a blank space in the side panel. Right click on star brings up V7 options, etc.
    I originally exported my bookmarks from V12 as HTML and then imported them to V30, so I have all the old BM's, but cannot access them conveniently. I cannot do a right click, for example, to do a copy paste of 'sorted bookmarks' up on to the bookmarks bar. It would be so nice it they were just ONE CLICK A WAY!!!.
    Please tell me the simple solution to get one click to the bookmarks. And please, no silly keyboard multiple key presses as that is so old Passe DOS. I have a mouse that does things for me, and my left brain is already filled up with useless key clicks from 40 years of programming.

    When you import bookmarks into Opera, they go into Imported bookmarks folder
    You can access that folder from Opera bookmark manager (it's down on the left list, and not visible if you didn't import anything)
    or you can access that folder in V7 Bookmarks, it's on bottom bar

    Alt

    from there you can select your bookmarks and cut-paste or drag&drop them to other main folders (same in Op. manager and V7 Bookmarks)
    fastest way to access your bookmarks is from Bookmarks bar or from sidebar

  • Hello. Please know that you have two options to get to your bookmarks easier. The first is getting the bookmark sidebar add on, and the second is moving folders to the bookmark bar. I haven't been with opera for that long, but feel like it has improved alot since 2011 (used it on a public pc)

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