How do I import bookmarks from Firefox to opera 20

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    How do I import bookmarks from Firefox to opera 20? The instructions on your website still pertain to Opera 12 (check out http://help.opera.com/Windows/12.10/en/bookmarks.html to see for yourself), and are way out-of-date by now! (Opera 20 does not have an "import and export" option anymore - or a bookmark manager either - at least not that I could find.)

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    Actually, the instructions for Opera 12 are what you need, because that's the only practical way to import a lot of bookmarks from Firefox — import them to Opera 12 first, then install Opera 20.

    Or, open the HTML file in Opera 20 and add them one by one.

    There's no bookmarks manager.

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      That is very poor. how are you expecting me to come to your browser if you don't import the bookmarks!

      ervin74
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      That is very poor. how are you expecting me to come to your browser if you don't import the bookmarks!

      Not only it's poor it's so stupid I cannot find words. Opera is very stubborn about this and they won't tell the users when they gonna implement a proper bookmark manager with true import and export functions.

      The new "fresh" Chromium based Opera 15 was released in the beginning of July 2013. After 7 months they have still not implemented a proper bookmark manager to be able to import or export bookmarks as HTML file and there is no extension that can do this either.

      If you take the Comodo Dragon Internet Browser or SRware Iron brower, both based on Chromium they all have a nice traditional proper bookmark managers like Google Chrome so it's not that Opera cannot do it also, it's just politics to piss off old long time Opera users. There is no other explanation!

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      That is very poor. how are you expecting me to come to your browser if you don't import the bookmarks!

      Not only it's poor it's so stupid I cannot find words. Opera is very stubborn about this and they won't tell the users when they gonna implement a proper bookmark manager with true import and export functions. The new "fresh" Chromium based Opera 15 was released in the beginning of July 2013. After 7 months they have still not implemented a proper bookmark manager to be able to import or export bookmarks as HTML file and there is no extension that can do this either. ... so it's not that Opera cannot do it also, it's just politics to piss off old long time Opera users. There is no other explanation!

      Uhmm... well, there actually is another explanation, which is that Opera didn't plan or strategize on using bookmarks at all at the outset of its Blink-based browser because it believed most users didn't use/need bookmarks (based on its user 'survey' and its market-target demographics). That explanation is reinforced by a number of official/developer statements along those lines in the early days of New Opera. They thought users would be satisfied by the SpeedDial and Stash features. Now, since Opera has finally included a bookmark bar at least in part because of user outcry, the development of a suitable manager is probably wrapped around the same axle of developing a comprehensive manager for bookmarks, SpeedDial, and Stash... which may be no small task, particularly in the presence of Opera's other priorities.

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        I was trying to remember why I stopped using Opera. I am beginning to remember why.

        Nothing like thinking I would be able to transfer bookmarks only to find out I can't.

        Anyway, I came back hoping to have a more efficient browser (from Firefox). Efficiency seems to have a cost: I can't use my old bookmarks.

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          There is an official Opera Bookmarks Manager extension. Install that, then export your bookmarks from FFox and use the Opera manager to import them. It's a rudimentary manager, but it works.

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            Was looking into Opera as an alternative to Firefox and IE but why does everyone think they have to totally reinvent interfaces so they are completely different.? Opera's interface is different yet again to any browser I've used. It is like Microsoft where you have to relearn how to do the same things you did previously in each new version.

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              I just started using Opera due to Mozilla's recent actions in the news, and I installed version 12 so I could import my FF bookmarks. Should I stick with version 12 if I want to keep my bookmarks available for use or does ver. 20 allow bookmarks to be used from ver. 12

              d1carter
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                I used the Bookmarks Manager extension and then exported FF bookmarks over to it.

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                  As someone said above, I am speechless at this oversight. I have hundreds of bookmarks which are categorized into folders in Firefox. Imagine the mess in Speed Dial. Even worse is the bookmark bar would be totally unusable. As much as I hve come to like Opera in the last few days, I can't use it because of this grievous oversight. Someone in planning really messed up and worst everyone else bough into the error. Any person in business, scientific, engineering, construction, purchasing or any other field needs to be able to categorize bookmarks. This relegates Opera into the category of a toy instead of a usable browser. It's fine for my phone but useless for my desktop. I'll check back from time to time to see if the programming folks have come to consciousness and implemented a usable bookmark system.

                  pesala
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                  Hundreds of bookmarks are not unusable on the Bookmarks Bar. Two thousand would start to get difficult.

                  Organise your bookmarks properly into folders and subfolder in Opera 12, then install Opera 20.

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                  As someone said above, I am speechless at this oversight. I have hundreds of bookmarks which are categorized into folders in Firefox. Imagine the mess in Speed Dial. Even worse is the bookmark bar would be totally unusable. As much as I hve come to like Opera in the last few days, I can't use it because of this grievous oversight. Someone in planning really messed up and worst everyone else bough into the error. Any person in business, scientific, engineering, construction, purchasing or any other field needs to be able to categorize bookmarks. This relegates Opera into the category of a toy instead of a usable browser. It's fine for my phone but useless for my desktop. I'll check back from time to time to see if the programming folks have come to consciousness and implemented a usable bookmark system.

                  Opera 20 is perfectly usable with hundreds of bookmarks organized into folders nested within folders on the QAB. It's simply a case of relearning how to categorize, bookmark and use the new browser. In addition you have speed dial for your dozen or so frequently visited sites as well as stash for those sites you wish to temporarily bookmark (i.e. read later). Times are changing; just look at IE11 in the modern version. Nothing remains the same so try and adapt.

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                  The Speed Dial can be used for more than your dozen or more most used sites. You can create folders of sites within the speed dial, so it can cover 100 sites or more. It works like apps in the Ipad or IPod. Move one of the sites in the speed dial on top of the other and you have a folder of two.. (In the IPad and IPod you move an app on top of the other to create folder) (No orther browser has a speed dial like this where one can create folders within the dial. It's super!! ) Move another site on the speed dial on top of the folder, and suddenly on the speed dial you have a folder of three. No limit to what you put in the folder. And then label it. Maybe call it video sites, or general news. So you can organize very well withim the speed dial. Pick your area of interest, and start creating folders in thevspeed dial. Also You can drag items from the Speed dial to the personal tool marks bar, and vice versa.

                  Then you can have , IN ADDITION, more options: there is: (1) Stash, (2) a personal bookmarks toolbar, and (3) a range of choice for bookmarks manager extensions in the Opera and/or Chrome stores for extensions. To use a Chrome extension, all you need to do is download the Opera extension, called "Download Chrome Extension. "

                  The bookmarking ability in Opera is robust with choices, and it will be better as Opera refines it.

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                    I may misunderstand the above thread. However, having thought I'd give Opera a go (I'm trying to find a decent sychronisation facility between several computers and Opera's Synchronise seems highly spoken of), I now discover that I cannot import my old Firefox bookmarks (hundreds, like the individual above). If the answer is that I have to import them individually, that seems to rather defeat the point of me coming across to Opera.

                    So, in case you care, you've just lost me back to bloody Firefox!

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                    Per the discussion in the thread I just posted, I was suggesting, not the Transmute vehicle (though it may well work, but I've never tried it), but rather using the import capability of Opera 12.17 (which specifically is set up to import bookmarks from Firefox and other third party browser), and then to utilize the Bookmarks Importer feature of Opera 22, which is designed to import bookmarks in Opera 12.17. For this to work, make sure Opera 12.17 is installed on the computer first (so completely uninstall Opera 22), and then after you've imported your Firefox bookmarks into Opera 12.17), reinstall Opera 22, and use the bookmarks importer. Oh yes, don't forget in Opera 22 to activate your Personal Bookmarks Bar (Alt P) (the keyboard shortcut for Settings), and then under User Interface, but a dot in Show the Bookmarks Bar.

                    No way go back to bloody Firefox :)

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                      Over the last 14 years of travelling for work and making contacts, I have picked up a huge amount of bookmarks. Depending on the job, country and company I work for/with, I have all the information at my finger-tips, so-to-speak, through my bookmarks; some 9000 of them. To find out that I can't import them into Opera, I'm using version 23.0, nor do I have access to them via xmarks, is a massive let down. Opera is obviously a browser to be used in school, universities and internet cafes where saving bookmarks is not at all important.

                      I might use it for my tablet or smartphone but not for work.

                      Thanks anyway.

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                      The latest Developer version of Opera does import bookmarks from whatever your default browser is, when it's first installed (whether you like it or not!)
                      However, although there is the rudiments of a bookmark manager too, it's at a very early experimental stage, so at the moment I think you're correct in thinking that it's not for you with your 9000 bookmarks!
                      It's getting there though, so do check back.
                      :-)

                      lem729
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                      @davehawley, what number is the latest Developer version? Is it Opera Next 24?

                      leocg
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                      @davehawley, what number is the latest Developer version? Is it Opera Next 24?

                      Opera Developer 24. Although Opera 23 has that option too iirc.

                      opera://flags/#first-run-import

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                      That's great, leocg. Thanks for the info. It will be something to suggest people try if they're attempting an import, and wonderful if -- for most people -- it works well.

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                      Thanks leocg, I couldn't remember whether the automatic import facility was there in version 23 or not.
                      I don't remember there being reports on the developer blogs about any technical problems with it, although a few people didn't like the principle of it!
                      :-)

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                      I think thar the flag is disabled by default on 23 and i'm not sure id enabling it would help as the importer seems to run at first install.

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                      Leocg, if it's disabled, and enabling it wouldn't help, then what good is it? :)

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                      There's a way to do it lem ;)
                      Delete the profile and...

                      --with-feature:first-run-import=true

                      PS. The feature was and still is under development. Don't assume it's bug-free and that it'll import everything to the preferred folders for example.

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                        I would leave the chrome today and switch to Opera, but for that they released a version that no such import, export, add favorites satisfactorily in a single bar.

                        I have hundreds of bookmarks in chrome that I would simply import them into Opera, and saw that there is no possibility. Not even add bookmarks bar is easily possible, I needed to find in the settings.

                        Please do not blow up a release by half, missing things ... The last time I used Opera was years ago, and by the way will not be now.

                        more tools -> bookmark importer I found by chance, no matter HTML ...

                        disappointed

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                        I have hundreds of bookmarks in chrome that I would simply import them into Opera, and saw that there is no possibility. Oh common... https://forums.opera.com/discussion/1834623/opera-21-importing-bookmarks

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                        There's a way to do it lem ;) Delete the profile and... --with-feature:first-run-import=true PS. The feature was and still is under development. Don't assume it's bug-free and that it'll import everything to the preferred folders for example.

                        I wanted to understand if I had to explain it. :) I think I'll wait till Opera 24. But as for importing from Chrome, that link @rafaelluik provided is good. It's not hard to do it.

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                          common? A browser like Opera and I have come to question in their forums on how to use a simple importer favorites? looks like crap to me

                          and I have to add an extension to help my favorites simply record a single bar?

                          And if I do not want to see the bookmarks bar? do what? have to go into settings to disable?

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                          Alt P (settings) and under user interface, put a check in Do Not Show Bookmarks Bar. That's easy enough.

                          Actually the browser is wonderful, @sOlem, though the import ability from third party browsers will be/ needs to be improved. Now you don't have to add any extensions, but if they help, why not?

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                            Don't we get tired of these kinds of posts, We've gone over the bookmarks thing over and over and over, countless times, plenty of prior posts detail just about anything anybody needs to know about bookmarks

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                              If there was actually anything new coming out in every new version of Opera that comes out, maybe then we would have a new batch of questions detailing new problems in the forums, but no, there are no new topics concerning new problems that come up, it's the same questions over and over again, same problems over and over again, and Bookmarks being a pretty good example of this.

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                              Don't we get tired of these kinds of posts, We've gone over the bookmarks thing over and over and over, countless times, plenty of prior posts detail just about anything anybody needs to know about bookmarks

                              I think part (but certainly not all) of the problem is that the forum search capabilities here are... well... uhmm... "limited". More often than not, I find myself now essentially Googling (I actually use StartPage) for earlier forum posts on a certain topic, visually filtering out the ones that aren't from Opera's forums (of which, on some topics, there are very large numbers). Even then, it can be a challenge to find a thread I absolutely know exists here - somewhere.

                              That said, the most common user behavior when a question or problem is encountered is to go to the related product forum, register, and immediately post about it... without ever scanning the forum indices nor using the forum search itself. It's a "human nature" thing that, however frustrating it might be to forum helpers, is as persistent as any other element of human nature.

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                              Don't we get tired of these kinds of posts, We've gone over the bookmarks thing over and over and over, countless times, plenty of prior posts detail just about anything anybody needs to know about bookmarks Well I'd close the topic as a duplicate of a prior one, but it's very hard to:

                              • Keep track of new topics about the same issue and store links to reference the users in these new topics.
                              • After a reply I can't immediately close the topic, because it'd leave the user without the possibility to ask further instructions when the first suggestion doesn't work for him/her. Then other users come in and reply different procedures that have never been cited in other earlier discussions which make this topic different and equally useful compared to others so I can't close it.
                              • Differentiate these topics. Each user have different needs and preferred procedures to achieve the bookmark import. They end up not being duplicates. Or...
                              • Decide which topic should be the one I link here. Which one about importing Firefox bookmarks to Opera is the most complete topic to mark this topic as a duplicate of it?
                              • Sometimes the earlier topic contains the solution to import bookmarks from browser X, but it's after several initial posts and some back and forth discussions so the instructions there aren't clear or optimal enough to point users to those topics.

                              If there was actually anything new coming out in every new version of Opera that comes out, maybe then we would have a new batch of questions detailing new problems in the forums, but no, there are no new topics concerning new problems that come up, it's the same questions over and over again, same problems over and over again, and Bookmarks being a pretty good example of this. You haven't been following the discussion or Opera's developers blog? We have cited the first run import tool here and there's a bookmarks flag in Opera Dev that gives you access to a bookmarks manager. So, of course it isn't Stable-quality and not enabled in the Stable stream, but there's something coming out!

                              PS. An observation: look at how many one-posters we have here, including the OP. o.O

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                              Yes, we're running around here duplicating advice in this thread and this one!

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                              The problem is we have new people who need help. And the seach vehicle for the forum is terrible. It puts a burden on everyone. But still people post new to Opera, and they have very basic needs, often relating to bookmarks.. To say, we've answered 20 times in the forum doesn't help if one can't easily find the stuff. I'm like blackbird71, as I often find more doing google searches than forum searches.

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                                Uhmm... well, there actually is another explanation, which is that Opera didn't plan or strategize on using bookmarks at all at the outset of its Blink-based browser because it believed most users didn't use/need bookmarks (based on its user 'survey' and its market-target demographics). That explanation is reinforced by a number of official/developer statements along those lines in the early days of New Opera. They thought users would be satisfied by the SpeedDial and Stash features. Now, since Opera has finally included a bookmark bar at least in part because of user outcry, the development of a suitable manager is probably wrapped around the same axle of developing a comprehensive manager for bookmarks, SpeedDial, and Stash... which may be no small task, particularly in the presence of Opera's other priorities.

                                Opera's user 'survey' and its market-target demographics were wrong if Opera had to finally include a bookmark bar because of user outcry!

                                It appears to me that Mozilla and Opera are forcing people to use Chrome and IE!! Firefox with its memory leaks even ESR and Opera no bookmark options!!!! Why should their be this big a thread on bookmarks when all they needed was either was an import option or an upgrade option on install of Opera 20+!

                                This is way too much work to install a simple browser!

                                I was thinking about installing Opera on our computers at work because of Mozilla's new browser that is one big memory leak, and slows everyone's computer down, there are employees with 100-1000 bookmarks. This leaves us with the only option, Chrome!!

                                Opera isn't getting it! All they have to do is make their browser bookmark friendly and they can snag a huge chunk of Firefox users!

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                                Consider that recent topics duplication problem solved. :P

                                That was my best attempt to help someone with importing bookmarks from Firefox, it was long after there were multiple confusing threads about importing from Firefox though so it's itself a duplicate but a better organized one if you follow the links I provided:
                                https://forums.opera.com/discussion/1836564/importing-bookmarks-in-v-22

                                To sum up, the options are:

                                • Install Opera 12, import from Firefox to Opera 12 via the menu there, then use the command line to enable the bookmarks importer under more tools which will be grayed out to get the bookmarks from Opera 12 to Opera 23+ (which will erase your current profile - saved bookmarks, passwords, Speed Dial, etc). These instructions are in the topic from the Mac area I link above.
                                • Empty profile, run the first run import command line parameter once having Firefox set as your default browser.

                                Other options below. For these, you need to move all your bookmarks to the bookmarks bar in the browser you intend to import from or they won't appear in Opera, or use a bookmarks manager extension like Neater Bookmarks from the Chrome Extension Store (or the bookmarks from opera:flags and opera:bookmarks in Opera 24+).

                                • Using Transmute, Firefox to Chrome then copy the Bookmarks file to Opera's profile.
                                • Xmarks Sync. The other method I described in the topic above.

                                PS. And we have yet another new one-poster who did nothing else than bloat the discussion.

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                                One more simple approach. Export bookmarks from Firefox to Chrome (which has an import feature). Once that import has successfully been accomplished, just copy the bookmark file in the Chrome profile into the Opera 23 profile.

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                                  This is well beyond a Joke - after being a Opera user for well over a decade i finally decided to move onto Chrome, who the hell thought speed dial should be a replacement for bookmark manager ?? opera guys should know speed dial complements bookmarks.

                                  Going back to the move to chrome - i am glad i have done its a very future rich browser with plenty of options for customization, and everything works seamlessly and is tons faster than any of opera releases,

                                  listen guys - stop contemplating if you should install opera on you PC, just install chrome and you will be more than happy heck even the latest version of Internet explorer is better than this sorry mess.

                                  Anyway guys adios - an opera user never to return, i cant thank the opera team enough for making me do the switch.

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                                  So glad you took the trouble to join the forum just to tell us that!
                                  :-(

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                                  In does amaze, how some folks trouble themselves to register in software forums just to fire a shot and say goodbye. They apparently fancy that somehow they'll be missed, though indeed they were never really present.

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                                    Guys - why do you think i took the time "not the trouble" as stated above, to put my points across ? it because i used to consider "OPERA" as the best browser, i do really hope going forward they are able to fix these issues at least for the new users,

                                    and also " not present in the forum = True" but was most certainly present as a user back in the days where you had to pay for this browser !!!!!

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                                    Opera still is the best browser! Yes, they can can change this, and make this better, but even as it is, I find it superb. And I say that without hesitation. In any event, salek73, hope you enjoy whichever one you are using. I was also an Opera User when you had to pay for it.

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                                      If there are many threads complaining or questioning the favorites, the problem is not the user but the tool, because if there is a bookmark bar I think there should be a decent manager.

                                      I do not think coming here to install the version that is spoken most current, with one thing in half of these. If there was a simple method to import bookmarks from other places and put as SpeedDial, ok ... but no.

                                      And yes, I searched the forum before replying this topic, and I was not happy with any of the alternatives. Also because it is supposed to be usable and has the feature, at a minimum I do not need to come here researching.

                                      I as a user have no problem with my bookmarks in Chrome, IE, and others.

                                      As said, which surprised the User to install and see who can not quickly import your favorites.

                                      And yes, looking on google, you will find many ways to do it, but that's not the point. It should be easy to find an easy way inside Opera, since it is already a very known browser to Opera Link I do not know if it works.

                                      I went back to install Opera many years later, I was amazed with the quality, beauty, but the simple favorites, or whatever they call it now, is only possible in other ways which I as a user do not want to have to search for how to do as well as the other browsers do, not because favorites turned speeddial, stash or whatever it is, but because for me and surely many others this is essential.

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                                      @sOlem

                                      As for the many threads of complaints, a lot of people don't know how to use the existing bookmarks features in Opera, and related extensions. Also, the Opera browser has been evolving with each update.

                                      First there is a bookmarks bar in Opera 23. You raised a question there when you said, " because if there is a bookmark bar I think there should be a decent manager." There's no "if" about it. Just go Alt P, and under User Interface, put a check in Show Bookmarks Bar. And then you have it.

                                      In addition, please rest assured that there are quite good bookmark manager extensions. Here's a link to Neater Bookmarks, Neater Bookmarks, https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neater-bookmarks/ofgjggbjanlhbgaemjbkiegeebmccifi?hl=en-US

                                      Chrookmarks for Chrome is also very good, (it's the one I am now using) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrookmarks-chrome-bookma/kcdheengilgkagjehknnnofigbmlnnfj?hl=en-US,

                                      You can download and try both, annd decide which one you prefer as a bookmarks manager extension. Then just uninstall the other one.

                                      You do need that Opera Extension called Download Chrome Extension, https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en or Extension Source Viewer, https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer/ in order to download either of these Chrome Extensions.

                                      With the right bookmarks manager (and I like the two I recommended), I see no need to show the personal bookmarks bar. So I go Alt P, and take the check out of Show Bookmarks Bar. That gains me valuable real estate in the browser. When I want to see my bookmarks, I just click on the bookmarks manager icon.

                                      Stash and Speed Dial are totally different ways to make bookmarks. And I do find the Speed Dial (where you can create folders by dragging one bookmark thumbnail in the Speed Dial on top of another) totally superb. That's another feature though, so I won't go into it here. In terms of traditional bookmarks you can certainly have a nice personal bookmarks vertical display with a good bookmarks manager in Opera 23. I'm delighted with what I can do with just that.

                                      Also, I recommend the Opera extension called "Add bookmark"(I also use it) https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/add-bookmark?display=en as it makes it easy to, in taking the bookmark, put it in the right place on your bookmarks tree. The native feature in Opera 23 for taking the bookmarks does not work as well.

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                                        Point 1: The bookmark bar is a nuisance, I want to have as little things visible on my browser as possible, so nothing would disrupt my view. Also, it is mentally exhausting, I don't want to have my bookmarks and folders exposed to anyone like that. Point 2: I need to have bookmarks as visually concise as possible, this was the case in Opera 12, that I last used. - A list of all my bookmarks and folders with a simple ctrl+b. Point 3: The speed dial was only convenient when I could actually use the shortcuts (ctr + 1 until 9), without that the speed dial loses half of its serviceability. Like mentioned before - speed dial (even with the ability to create folders) is no replacement for bookmarks. It is not visually concise, which is exasperating. Speed dial is complementary to bookmarks.

                                        And in the end..Imagine internet users that had some good memories with previous Operas. Then they are introduced to this and they are expected to fight for bookmarks? This is ludicrously stupid! What kind of a service is this? To the ones telling us to "get with the times" ..you are just ignorant, if it doesn't bother you it doesn't prove there isn't a problem. Especially when there are so many that report that there, in fact, is a lack.

                                        leushino
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                                        leushino

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                                        Point 1: the bookmark bar is NOT a nuisance. You can toggle it on or off with the Settings. Point 2: there are a number of extensions that give a very good bookmark capability (i.e. Tidy Bookmarks). See the Chrome store. Point 3: the developer version (25) will add bookmarking functionality to the browser so relax and wait to see what will be coming soon. Point 4: many users do not have good memories of the former Opera browser, hence it never caught on with the general public. The thing that is ludicrously stupid is not informing yourself of what Opera is currently doing. Educate yourself first; THEN post.

                                        thutoms
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                                        thutoms

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                                          Yes I can toggle it, still it is inconvenient. Much more than having a bookmark tree that I can make appear and disappear with a simple ctrl+b. Going to the settings every time for that is unnecessarily tedious. I did install Tidy, a bit robust, but way better than the bar. With that, yes, I can install add-ons for bookmarks, tab stacks and everything, it, nevertheless, feels like I'm finishing up what was left undone by the developers. Letting you in on my personal history with opera: I loved it and hated it at the same time - it had all the shortcuts and levers and tricks for my taste I wouldn't have even thought to wish for before opera, no other browser has made me feel so integrated. But in time it revealed it's weakness to me, too. So I gradually switched to others. Now, coming back to the present: I am voicing my opinion with the intention of demonstrating that there are many and loads of people with this stand point. Thanks for bringing out the future course of opera, you are making a valid point. I hope to keep by opera, for all the fuzzy memories I have with it, seriously, and I still stand by my point of voicing my opinion.

                                          lem729
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                                          lem729

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                                          Yes I can toggle it, still it is inconvenient. Much more than having a bookmark tree that I can make appear and disappear with a simple ctrl+b.

                                          That's what you do. You can have a bookmarks manager, like Chrookmarks for Chrome, Neater Bookmarks, Tidy Bookmarks, etc, and simply hide the Opera bookmarks bar. You don't need the bar. Now go ctrl shift E and look at your extensions. At the end of the list, at the very bottom is Extension Keyboard Shortcuts. So get a bookmarks manager, and use it, hide the bookmarks bar completely, create an easy shortcut to toggle open or closed the bookmarks manager (I use Chrookmarks, and this is how I do it), maybe ctrl b, which opens a vertical display of your bookmarks (toggled closed by another ctrl b). And there you have it. You can either click on the bookmarks manager extension on the icon bar to open it, or open it via keyboard, ctrl b. It's simple. (And that's what you asked for: a simple ctrl b) :) And you close it the same way.

                                          Bookmarks are easy to manage "right now", if you put a little thought to it. Opera is a pleasure to use not tomorrow, but today, and it's going to be even better in the future. Have faith!